Wagon

[V8Druid]

this lot get a fair bit of military stuff too https://gpsv.co.uk/auctions/#!/auctionDetails/3715

 

[Furniss]

Despite what I've previously thought and said about wanting to stay around the 12t mark weight wise I think I'm slowly coming to the decision (with advice) that something bigger will be better despite being a bit cumbersome , maybe 19t being the right size, I believe you can go upto 19t in a 4x2 configuration then it steps upto 26t in 6x2.

Be happy to listen to any advice size/axles/wheelbase/makes/box type etc as its new territory for me

Been driving a newish daf cf 19t curtain sider a bit today with auto box which was o.k but wasn't sure which gear it wanted to be in half the time and would be a expensive job to put right I guess ?

 

[Left hooker]

If you have a look on cjleonards

Cj leonards have a few ex mod wagons in atm

Local firm down here ran 3 of those for a short while
Good off road
Crap load capacity
Single tyres all round so was like a boat on corners

 

[Smiffy]

Despite what I've previously thought and said about wanting to stay around the 12t mark weight wise I think I'm slowly coming to the decision (with advice) that something bigger will be better despite being a bit cumbersome , maybe 19t being the right size, I believe you can go upto 19t in a 4x2 configuration then it steps upto 26t in 6x2.

Be happy to listen to any advice size/axles/wheelbase/makes/box type etc as its new territory for me

Been driving a newish daf cf 19t curtain sider a bit today with auto box which was o.k but wasn't sure which gear it wanted to be in half the time and would be a expensive job to put right I guess ?

In the UK our max on a 4x2 is 18t but I doubt there is any difference
Check the axle weights for the front axle
Often lorry's that size over here are built on stretched tractor units and have stupidly low front axle weights.
Over here I've seen 2 different bin lengths and 2 different wheelbase on 18t hookloaders. Obviously the shorter ones will have a tighter turning circle.
I don't know how your taxes and cost work over there as to whether its worth it but if you are looking at that size the 26t on 3 axles are actually more maneuverable especially if they have a tag axle

 

[Furniss]

In the UK our max on a 4x2 is 18t but I doubt there is any difference
Check the axle weights for the front axle
Often lorry's that size over here are built on stretched tractor units and have stupidly low front axle weights.
Over here I've seen 2 different bin lengths and 2 different wheelbase on 18t hookloaders. Obviously the shorter ones will have a tighter turning circle.
I don't know how your taxes and cost work over there as to whether its worth it but if you are looking at that size the 26t on 3 axles are actually more maneuverable especially if they have a tag axle

Great info thanks hoping to run the next one a long time so want to make the right decision.

26t ton will cost fair bit more to run I suppose...like my 7.5t it will run about a fair bit empty , and we have axle tax here.
Going to speak to a guy tomorrow who should be able to advise re axle tax

 

[Smiffy]

Great info thanks hoping to run the next one a long time so want to make the right decision.

26t ton will cost fair bit more to run I suppose...like my 7.5t it will run about a fair bit empty , and we have axle tax here.
Going to speak to a guy tomorrow who should be able to advise re axle tax

I knew you had axle tax but I don't know how it works but depending there might be some things to help. Over here air suspension gives a discount over steel springs on tax as its considered road friendly. A 6 wheeler with a tag axle would be on air. I doubt you would find a 4 wheeler on air. With a tag axle you aren't dragging it along unless it's required so it's not going to be 100% extra tyre wear and fuel economy will only be affected by the weight not the friction. Will most likely be running a very similar engine as well.

 

[V8Druid]

Local firm down here ran 3 of those for a short while
Good off road
Crap load capacity
Single tyres all round so was like a boat on corners

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" a Cornish company " ? ... with a name like that

 

[Furniss]

Yes been looking at it just now and your right although have seen an 19t 4x2 merc actros that was on air.
So under 12t no axle tax
2 axles air 124€ - steel 276€ per year
3 axles 224€ air - 348€ steel per year

Apart from maybe the 348€ then it's no big deal in the scheme of things ... run wagon for 10 years and it's about 2.5k

So my decision shouldn't be made based on axle tax alone

 

[Smiffy]

Yes been looking at it just now and your right although have seen an 19t 4x2 merc actros that was on air.
So under 12t no axle tax
2 axles air 124€ - steel 276€ per year
3 axles 224€ air - 348€ steel per year

Apart from maybe the 348€ then it's no big deal in the scheme of things ... run wagon for 10 years and it's about 2.5k

So my decision shouldn't be made based on axle tax alone

From that it would definitely be worth having a look at a 6 wheeler for yourself
Again they have different chassis lengths and 2 different bin lengths or at least they do over here.
A short chassis's will pick up long skips with the overhang out the back.
The long chassis can pickup and carry the short skips but as they load they seriously steep so can't be lifted on loaded.
Again it may be different but the skips from 8 wheelers are cheapest and by going up to 18t/26t chassis you can pick these up albeit with a possible overhang but they can be shortened to fit which may be the cheapest way to end up with the skip you want.
The only other thing is I know you have lower bridges than us and obviously the bigger running gear is taller. I don't know whether you could keep your 8t Kubota and transport that yourself or if it's to tall

 

[Furniss]

From that it would definitely be worth having a look at a 6 wheeler for yourself
Again they have different chassis lengths and 2 different bin lengths or at least they do over here.
A short chassis's will pick up long skips with the overhang out the back.
The long chassis can pickup and carry the short skips but as they load they seriously steep so can't be lifted on loaded.
Again it may be different but the skips from 8 wheelers are cheapest and by going up to 18t/26t chassis you can pick these up albeit with a possible overhang but they can be shortened to fit which may be the cheapest way to end up with the skip you want.
The only other thing is I know you have lower bridges than us and obviously the bigger running gear is taller. I don't know whether you could keep your 8t Kubota and transport that yourself or if it's to tall

Cheers some good info
Can't remember last time I went under a low bridge though.
I'm going for a look at this but it's 4.5m wheelbase which I think is a bit on the long side to be handy.

 

[Smiffy]

Cheers some good info
Can't remember last time I went under a low bridge though.
I'm going for a look at this but it's 4.5m wheelbase which I think is a bit on the long side to be handy.
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They are still surprisingly capable but obviously it will feel numb after your 7.5t. but then even a double cab transit is numb in comparison to a 7.5t.
And that's where the 26t would help as even on steels by having the extra axle Infront then you are shortening the wheelbase. Even better on air if you can transfer the weight to the center axle so less tyre wear and tighter turns

 

[CPS]

Can anyone tell me why the European Hook loaders are a lot lower mounted in the chassis as the UK ones?

 

[JD450A]

Can anyone tell me why the European Hook loaders are a lot lower mounted in the chassis as the UK ones?

Tend to be direct mounted to the chassis, In the UK we put them on a subframe.

 

[CPS]

Tend to be direct mounted to the chassis, In the UK we put them on a subframe.

Why? obviously a strength thing but is it needed?

 

[JD450A]

Why? obviously a strength thing but is it needed?

Mostly to enable a manufacturer to fit there gear to many random chassis configurations.

It's not needed, just the normal way of doing things in the UK.

 

[GazCro]

Mostly to enable a manufacturer to fit there gear to many random chassis configurations.

It's not needed, just the normal way of doing things in the UK.

If you're buying new does hiab gear not fit down the sides of the chassis now to keep it lower?

 

[diggerjones]

Seeing as your talking about skip wagons. I thought about this design. I had some experience with these on 8 wheels and artic.

 

[Left hooker]

" a Cornish company " ? ... with a name like that

? It's Cornish language bit similar to Welsh

 

[Smiffy]

Mostly to enable a manufacturer to fit there gear to many random chassis configurations.

It's not needed, just the normal way of doing things in the UK.

Merc won't warranty there trucks over here without following there subframe specs. I don't know how much it varies depending on body being fitted but I know some of the subframes they require are huge

 

[Quattromike]

Does anyone take a flat bed truck and chop it into a beavertail anymore? Been asked about it recently