Used Volvo EC 27D vs ECR25D

doobin

doobin

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£27k. Cor the good old days!
You said it!

I don't know why Bobcat are trying to push their E27 at £35-36k these days, and I told the rep so when he called me yesterday. They have never been known as a 'premium' machine (rightly or wrongly) and from on here and FB it's apparent that other mainstream manufacturers are considerably cheaper at the moment.
 
doobin

doobin

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Leaks? What kind. That doesn't sound great on such a new machine!
Pipes not crimped properly (E19, brand new, all the oil gone within a mornings work). Tank servo connection weeping on the E27. Main pump hose on the E27 popping off, dumping all the oil next to a stream. Common problem according to the mechanic- no service update for it! Mine is still wearing the chog of birch I cut with a chainsaw to jam between the pipe and a weld gusset when I fixed it in the field.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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You said it!

I don't know why Bobcat are trying to push their E27 at £35-36k these days, and I told the rep so when he called me yesterday. They have never been known as a 'premium' machine (rightly or wrongly) and from on here and FB it's apparent that other mainstream manufacturers are considerably cheaper at the moment.
You're missing one key thing though, they can at the moment. End of the day they are worth whatever someone is willing to pay and as long as the machines which are coming into the country are selling manufacturer is happy.
 
doobin

doobin

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You're missing one key thing though, they can at the moment. End of the day they are worth whatever someone is willing to pay and as long as the machines which are coming into the country are selling manufacturer is happy.
Supply shortages are pretty much over as far as I can see. Loads of new stock being advertised all over facebook etc.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Pipes not crimped properly (E19, brand new, all the oil gone within a mornings work). Tank servo connection weeping on the E27. Main pump hose on the E27 popping off, dumping all the oil next to a stream. Common problem according to the mechanic- no service update for it! Mine is still wearing the chog of birch I cut with a chainsaw to jam between the pipe and a weld gusset when I fixed it in the field.
Still ain't premium machine then.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Supply shortages are pretty much over as far as I can see. Loads of new stock being advertised all over facebook etc.
It's nowt to do with supply shortages though, it's just demand if they can get 5k over the odds for a digger and they are selling plenty they will. They are not here for our benefit.
 
doobin

doobin

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It's nowt to do with supply shortages though, it's just demand if they can get 5k over the odds for a digger and they are selling plenty they will. They are not here for our benefit.
I get that, but as evidenced here and eslewhere, they are not getting that for it. My original point was that I don't know why they are shooting themselves in the foot by asking for it!
 
GazCro

GazCro

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I get that, but as evidenced here and eslewhere, they are not getting that for it. My original point was that I don't know why they are shooting themselves in the foot by asking for it!
I can't answer that but it likely isn't causing them any problems so far otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Is it bobcat or the dealers doing it?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Circa 30k sounds alright to me for a 3t But some are pushing nearer £35k that difference is enough to put me off because not knowing how the used market is going to go over the next few years it could well amount to excessive depreciation. I imagine the bulk of sales for dealers are to larger organisations and plant hire companies etc. With plant hire rates so low I'm surprised it stacks up for them too...
Trouble is I'm keen to upgrade because my main machine is now 15years old and whilst it's problem free at the moment nothing lasts forever, have to say it's not particularly enticing given the choice out there (very little which really ticks all the boxes) AND the cost.
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Leaks? What kind. That doesn't sound great on such a new machine!
It was leaking oil from somewhere on the rotary coupling - not a lot (but shouldn’t be any). Seems to have stopped now though - must have spun it around enough the other way!….
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Circa 30k sounds alright to me for a 3t But some are pushing nearer £35k that difference is enough to put me off because not knowing how the used market is going to go over the next few years it could well amount to excessive depreciation. I imagine the bulk of sales for dealers are to larger organisations and plant hire companies etc. With plant hire rates so low I'm surprised it stacks up for them too...
Trouble is I'm keen to upgrade because my main machine is now 15years old and whilst it's problem free at the moment nothing lasts forever, have to say it's not particularly enticing given the choice out there (very little which really ticks all the boxes) AND the cost.
How many hours on ur 125?
 
GazCro

GazCro

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3800. But hard hours! The old one I had was still ok at 5500hrs when I sold it but smoke was becoming oilier and the slew was getting a tad rough too.
Hard work is what they are built for as long as its hard work and not ROUGH. mostly comes down to how you've looked after it and whether you're grease gun has had a flat battery for the last 15 years. I've just done 4k hour service on my tb240 this week and have no intention of changing it for a long while yet. It would need to be a hell of a deal to even consider it. I don't see any reason it won't do another 4k tbh though i might not keep it that long we'll see. One advantage i have mind is that it's still a current up to date machine and its a lot cheaper to run than a 100 series taki.
 
sjs5060

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Why not another Takeuchi? I had a walk round a 325? At a show and although I’ve not looked into it fully it certainly looked well finished
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Hard work is what they are built for as long as its hard work and not ROUGH. mostly comes down to how you've looked after it and whether you're grease gun has had a flat battery for the last 15 years. I've just done 4k hour service on my tb240 this week and have no intention of changing it for a long while yet. It would need to be a hell of a deal to even consider it. I don't see any reason it won't do another 4k tbh though i might not keep it that long we'll see. One advantage i have mind is that it's still a current up to date machine and its a lot cheaper to run than a 100 series taki.
Yeah exactly, a lot more modern than the 100 series. Surprised you say it's cheaper to run though. I've only replaced a few hoses and a set of tracks in the 6 years I've had mine. Other than that no issues. Here's madness for you. I remember the halycon days of 2018 getting quoted £32k for a TB240 (I had a little multipurpose dump trailer back then). Dread to think what they are now.
I think my argument for upgrading is slightly future proofing as think in general things are getting shitter with cost cutting and environmental factors placed on machine, that and with used prices so good I'd probably get good money for mine as it's very tidy for its year.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Why not another Takeuchi? I had a walk round a 325? At a show and although I’ve not looked into it fully it certainly looked well finished
It needs to be a 230 to match up to what he has now and they are technically too heavy to tow or at least very borderline. Would be very nice though, proper size cab, a/c, refuelling pump etc as standard.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Yeah exactly, a lot more modern than the 100 series. Surprised you say it's cheaper to run though. I've only replaced a few hoses and a set of tracks in the 6 years I've had mine. Other than that no issues. Here's madness for you. I remember the halycon days of 2018 getting quoted £32k for a TB240 (I had a little multipurpose dump trailer back then). Dread to think what they are now.
I think my argument for upgrading is slightly future proofing as think in general things are getting shitter with cost cutting and environmental factors placed on machine, that and with used prices so good I'd probably get good money for mine as it's very tidy for its year.
Diesel cost. Yeah i think my 240 was about 32k in 2016, probs be 40k now
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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It needs to be a 230 to match up to what he has now and they are technically too heavy to tow or at least very borderline. Would be very nice though, proper size cab, a/c, refuelling pump etc as standard.
Yeah. The TB230 is what I want really. Could actually get near enoughtowing it with one of these light weight trailers and buckets either in the tow vehicle or taken with the dumper etc. But yeah borderline for sure
 
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