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Monkeybusiness

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Turns out they did weigh him (individual axles). 900kg tri-axle trailer, 2.8 tonne knocker, driver and passenger and a few tools and a tractor battery in the tub. The axle weights were all legal (!) but the guy told him a packet of crisps would have sent him over…
Then they did him for no tacho! 🤣
Happened on a Saturday in 2018.
 
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Brendan

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Turns out they did weigh him (individual axles). 900kg tri-axle trailer, 2.8 tonne knocker, driver and passenger and a few tools and a tractor battery in the tub. The axle weights were all legal (!) but the guy told him a packet of crisps would have sent him over…
Then they did him for no tacho! 🤣
Happened on a Saturday in 2018.
Just out to get money where they can, how many miles did he do, I did read something about no tacho if you drive less than 4 hours a week, so you could do a single 4 hour trip and be ok
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Just out to get money where they can, how many miles did he do, I did read something about no tacho if you drive less than 4 hours a week, so you could do a single 4 hour trip and be ok
Gloucester from Cheshire - about 90 miles. He was pulled in Shrewsbury (well within the radius) and could definitely have blagged it but he didn’t know that he was doing anything wrong and basically hung himself by being honest!
(He was relieved to not get done for overloading too!!!).
 
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Stroppymonkey

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Gloucester from Cheshire - about 90 miles. He was pulled in Shrewsbury (well within the radius) and could definitely have blagged it but he didn’t know that he was doing anything wrong and basically hung himself by being honest!
(He was relieved to not get done for overloading too!!!).
So it was because he wasn’t in a ‘genuine DPV’ ?
 
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Brendan

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So it was because he wasn’t in a ‘genuine DPV’ ?
Dmax would be dpv but tacho regardless for outside the 60 mile radius of base
It's a really shitty thing for them to do and it's easy to see why people hate traffic cops especially in these situations where of they can't do you for one thing they will go out of their way to find something else
 
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Brendan

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Prob still cheaper than paying a dedicated haulier...🙃

Explain to me these car hauliers then 😑😂
Running bent.
Have seen a fair bit lately where they are pulling more car transporters not just the overloaded 3.5t "recovery" vans but trailer set ups too
 
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Stroppymonkey

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Dmax would be dpv but tacho regardless for outside the 60 mile radius of base
It's a really shitty thing for them to do and it's easy to see why people hate traffic cops especially in these situations where of they can't do you for one thing they will go out of their way to find something else
Ah that is interesting (and disappointing). I thought there was an exemption for DPV. I need to dig into how exempt a privately owned 3.5ton camper van is outside of 60 mile radius !

So the other day I took a trailer down to Penryn - which is 78 miles away, which looks like I was outside of the rules :-(
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Ah that is interesting (and disappointing). I thought there was an exemption for DPV. I need to dig into how exempt a privately owned 3.5ton camper van is outside of 60 mile radius !

So the other day I took a trailer down to Penryn - which is 78 miles away, which looks like I was outside of the rules :-(
Might be ok if within the radius (even if 78 miles by road).
 
JD450A

JD450A

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Ah that is interesting (and disappointing). I thought there was an exemption for DPV. I need to dig into how exempt a privately owned 3.5ton camper van is outside of 60 mile radius !

Totally exempt because it's private..... Likewise if your a sole trader anything from your truck to your lorry can be used entirely privately.... The caviate is insurance..... My lorry and pickups are all own business use and SDP....... If I didn't have the last bit on I'd have no get out.

I've not got time to go on my normal rant reference UK vehicle use laws...... But as normal reform them, simplify and deregulate elements and you will overnight increase compliance and road safety.
 
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Stroppymonkey

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Totally exempt because it's private..... Likewise if your a sole trader anything from your truck to your lorry can be used entirely privately.... The caviate is insurance..... My lorry and pickups are all own business use and SDP....... If I didn't have the last bit on I'd have no get out.

I've not got time to go on my normal rant reference UK vehicle use laws...... But as normal reform them, simplify and deregulate elements and you will overnight increase compliance and road safety.
Ta. I 'should' be fine then either way. All work vehicles have a SDP and my camper has work use included on insurance. And for any trips into deep Cornwall / over 100K then I will just make sure I am out and about in wee hours to minimise risks.


I fully agree that the rules and regs involving trailers on 3.5t vehicles are far too overlapping and complicated. If a group of fairly knowledgeable folks on here still cant grasp it fully - then the average Joe stands no chance.

Tacho rules / exemptions
O - Licence rules / exemptions
Trailer weights.
Towing Vehicle weights
Axle weights
Nose weights
load security
Licencing
Insurance
ADR
Waste Carriers licencing

etc etc the list goes on.
 
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pettsy

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For a van converted into a camper, I’m sure I’ve seen something recently that it doesn’t specifically go on what the logbook shows, more how the vehicle is used. That was in regard to speed limits so I assume the same with tacho etc.

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For a van converted into a camper, I’m sure I’ve seen something recently that it doesn’t specifically go on what the logbook shows, more how the vehicle is used. That was in regard to speed limits so I assume the same with tacho etc.

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I once had an in depth call it "discussion" at the side of the a55 with a Welsh cop he wanted to give me a summons as I was doing 90 in my old kombi he reckoned it should have been the 60 limit anyway eventually I persuaded him I was a car and settled for the 3 points . late on a Saturday night after the menai bridge not a soul on the road deserted . Was hiding up the sliproad the little swine.😑
 
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Stroppymonkey

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I once had an in depth call it "discussion" at the side of the a55 with a Welsh cop he wanted to give me a summons as I was doing 90 in my old kombi he reckoned it should have been the 60 limit anyway eventually I persuaded him I was a car and settled for the 3 points . late on a Saturday night after the menai bridge not a soul on the road deserted . Was hiding up the sliproad the little swine.😑
My camper is likely over 3050kg naked so I don’t chance it too much but if I get pulled for 70 on dual carriageway I shall argue it
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I once had an in depth call it "discussion" at the side of the a55 with a Welsh cop he wanted to give me a summons as I was doing 90 in my old kombi he reckoned it should have been the 60 limit anyway eventually I persuaded him I was a car and settled for the 3 points . late on a Saturday night after the menai bridge not a soul on the road deserted . Was hiding up the sliproad the little swine.😑
1978 ... 3 a.m. - M4 , coming back to Bristol from Reading ... completely empty road - not a soul ..... 1725 Holbay GLS Hunter on a brand new set of Michies, in overdrive - G/F fast asleep in the co-pilot's chair, doing 110mph, when suddenly, from nowhere i have a set of headlights in my rear view, right behind me, followed by a set of blues. o_O:(:mad:
Wound her down quietly and pulled over onto the hard shoulder.
G/F has woken up and asked why we're stopping
" Ive got a plod on my bum who's just appeared from nowhere in the rear view - must've been behind me, with no lights on, for miles "

I'm out the car 'fore he is :giggle:

" Your vehicle sir? Are you aware of the speed you were travelling at? "
His mate's giving the motor the once over :)

" yes officer, mine. I was doing 110 according to my speedo. The road was completely empty until you 'appeared' and It's a good 6 miles since I passed the last entry ramp, I presume you were 'running dark' behind me with no lights on? "

several seconds silence:giggle:

" Where are you heading for and where have you come from? Have you been drinking at all sir? "

" heading for Bristol, from Reading and no I've not been drinking anything other than Coca cola all evening. "

now he has a problem, 'cos he knows he's been rumbled 'running dark' and any booking is deffo gonna end in court and won't want his tactics exposed - utter no no - would get slung out, by the CPS :LOL:
His mate's beside him by now and has found sod all with the motor, has PNC-ed me and says to plod #1 that the name sounds familiar/rings a bell

" think his old man is 'in the job' - pretty sure I've met him .... Is your father a police officer ? "

" yes, taught me to drive by 'the method' -- he's one of Monmouthshire's traffic instructors these days and every run out with him is 'a lesson' "
bit of a huddled discussion followed and ......

" Well in this instance, we've found your vehicle is in perfect order and are prepared to not summons you for speeding, but keep it down to 70 to Bristol - we'll be back here somewhere ! " (in the bloody darkness) :ROFLMAO:

The GLS Hunters were a wolf in sheep's clothing .. Nottinghamshire plod used them in the '70s - hard to find - didn't sell many and with the overdrive box I'd put in it were - for their day - a very fast, quick car - Dolly Sprints certainly couldn't live with mine
:LOL: ... my old man ran one too



1981 - my brother got tee-boned in the centre of Usk, by a vehicle that failed to stop at a side road and ploughed into him -- plod who attended, when he gave his name, said -

" I stopped you on the M4 years ago doing 110 at 3 in the morning "

" Nah - that was my brother - me an' the old man heard all about it - you caught him by 'running dark' ... bit naughty that - not cricket as the old man'd say " :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Apparently they both had a good laugh about it :giggle:
 
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