The 'Today's Job' thread

[6feetdown]

I've got a job coming up in January. Load of concrete gullies to put in down a 1km long narrow footpath. Nightmare to get a lorry even to the start of the path and would be a hell of a waiting charge. so thinking I'm just going to stick a rough old grading bucket on and mix it up in a dumper at the start of the path and ferry it down the path in that. Can't think of a better way to do it tbh.

Pan mixer. I took a risk never used 1 or seen 1 in action but you can do a good mix wet or dry, ½ cube in about 20 min im guessing

 

[bobthebuilder]

Pan mixer. I took a risk never used 1 or seen 1 in action but you can do a good mix wet or dry, ½ cube in about 20 min im guessing

has anyone ever counted how many barrow fulls in a cube ? i have 15 to 16

 

[Giles]

I was always a sod that get voli in, but now it’s £180-220 for 1 cube on small orders and £135 on full wagons.

My lads have always been fantastic always accommodated but if doing a bit of kerbing here and there etc I’m now more of the idea of mixing it on site

We’ve got two of the big belle mixers which do a good enough job, big 240l forced action pan mixer but try keep that for lime work but been looking at either hydraulic pan mixer on blade of 6/8 ton run of aux or smaller 600 litre pan on stand run off aux of 1.5/3 then tip into tracked barrow.

The belle/at350 towable ones look good as well

The 4x4 self mixing units be handy on the right job

Ollie was your dad running one like this with winch, see them in Spain etc

 

[Giles]

has anyone ever counted how many barrow fulls in a cube ? i have 15 to 16

11 in the big belle warriors out voli

 

[GazCro]

Over a couple of cube if conc plant isn't far away (rarely more than 20 mile away here) you won't beat readymix unless you don't want it all at once. Small quantities don't take long with diesel mixer. Pan mixers all well and good but are they worth the hassle of cleaning out for small quantities?

 

[Smiffy]

Over a couple of cube if conc plant isn't far away (rarely more than 20 mile away here) you won't beat readymix unless you don't want it all at once. Small quantities don't take long with diesel mixer. Pan mixers all well and good but are they worth the hassle of cleaning out for small quantities?

They really arnt much hassle to clean. No longer to clean a pan than a belle minimix
Open the shoot tip them up and just hose them off. They don't build up like barrel mixers do.

 

[Lancs Lad]

They really arnt much hassle to clean. No longer to clean a pan than a belle minimix
Open the shoot tip them up and just hose them off. They don't build up like barrel mixers do.

Yeah but at 90 quid plus vat for volumetric that's a lot of faff...best was a job my mate did I lent a hand . After they done 4 lads barrowing a little ramp...I said they didn't seem very happy .....he said no they not it's 1.8m cube and they've driven 50 mins on a Saturday morning 🫣🫣 back in 2019...

 

[GazCro]

They really arnt much hassle to clean. No longer to clean a pan than a belle minimix
Open the shoot tip them up and just hose them off. They don't build up like barrel mixers do.

It's not like a couple of half buckets of water then is it. You need a machine to carry and run a pan as well whereas diesel mixer is self contained.
I dug a wall found the other day for landscaper who got local farmer's lad to bring 2 pan mixer fulls to put the conc in. That to me was the best use of a pan, someone else's.

 

[Giles]

Yeah but at 90 quid plus vat for volumetric that's a lot of faff...best was a job my mate did I lent a hand . After they done 4 lads barrowing a little ramp...I said they didn't seem very happy .....he said no they not it's 1.8m cube and they've driven 50 mins on a Saturday morning 🫣🫣 back in 2019...

Not that anymore it’s more like £130m3 on full 8-10m or if you only have 1m3 it’s about £280 now with fuel and material costs

 

[Giles]

It's not like a couple of half buckets of water then is it. You need a machine to carry and run a pan as well whereas diesel mixer is self contained.
I dug a wall found the other day for landscaper who got local farmer's lad to bring 2 pan mixer fulls to put the conc in. That to me was the best use of a pan, someone else's.

My towable little 240 litre pan is just few buckets of water then rinse and as rubbers on paddles contact all of the floor and sides just got to wash it off paddles and rubbers

 

[GazCro]

Are them volumetrics running round overloaded?

 

[Giles]

They use to be able to run to design weight which was 44 tons on Renaults etc not anymore though hence why most are working to be away from Volis when 10 year window on weight restrictions kicks in

Paste;

In December 2017, the UK Government’s Department for Transport announced a number of decisions concerning the regulated weight limits for volumetric concrete mixers. This led to the regulations for volumetric concrete mixers being converged with the regulations that apply to heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) from 1st September 2018.

To read their open letter published in April 2018, click here.

This guide will detail the changes, how this may affect you, and what you should do next.

What’s changed?​

Before the change in regulations, volumetric concrete mixers (sometimes referred to as mobile (concrete) batching plants) were defined as engineering plant rather than as goods vehicles.

This meant that operators and drivers did not require an operator’s licence, there was no application of drivers’ hours or working time rules, and there was no apparent requirement for HGV licences either. This classification meant that volumetric concrete mixers on UK roads could operate according to their chassis design weight, essentially allowing four-axle rigid volumetrics to be loaded well in excess of 40 tonnes when HGVs were limited to 32 tonnes.

The new legislation has ruled that, as of 1st September 2018, volumetric mixers now come under the goods vehicle operator licensing regime. This means that operators of volumetric mixers must now ensure compliance with:

• Drivers’ hours
• Tachograph rules
• Operator licences
• Working times
• HGV licences
• Vehicle weight limits

 

[Lancs Lad]

They use to be able to run to design weight which was 44 tons on Renaults etc not anymore though hence why most are working to be away from Volis when 10 year window on weight restrictions kicks in

Paste;

In December 2017, the UK Government’s Department for Transport announced a number of decisions concerning the regulated weight limits for volumetric concrete mixers. This led to the regulations for volumetric concrete mixers being converged with the regulations that apply to heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) from 1st September 2018.

To read their open letter published in April 2018, click here.

This guide will detail the changes, how this may affect you, and what you should do next.

What’s changed?​

Before the change in regulations, volumetric concrete mixers (sometimes referred to as mobile (concrete) batching plants) were defined as engineering plant rather than as goods vehicles.

This meant that operators and drivers did not require an operator’s licence, there was no application of drivers’ hours or working time rules, and there was no apparent requirement for HGV licences either. This classification meant that volumetric concrete mixers on UK roads could operate according to their chassis design weight, essentially allowing four-axle rigid volumetrics to be loaded well in excess of 40 tonnes when HGVs were limited to 32 tonnes.

The new legislation has ruled that, as of 1st September 2018, volumetric mixers now come under the goods vehicle operator licensing regime. This means that operators of volumetric mixers must now ensure compliance with:

• Drivers’ hours
• Tachograph rules
• Operator licences
• Working times
• HGV licences
• Vehicle weight limits

Could go some way to explain lack of the knackered wagons with a mixer strapped on the back with a gang of popped up lads up front then?

 

[Smiffy]

It's not like a couple of half buckets of water then is it. You need a machine to carry and run a pan as well whereas diesel mixer is self contained.
I dug a wall found the other day for landscaper who got local farmer's lad to bring 2 pan mixer fulls to put the conc in. That to me was the best use of a pan, someone else's.

I would spend just as long cleaning a belle of. Always use a hose and if one isn't available then hose it off in the yard.

 

[6feetdown]

Over a couple of cube if conc plant isn't far away (rarely more than 20 mile away here) you won't beat readymix unless you don't want it all at once. Small quantities don't take long with diesel mixer. Pan mixers all well and good but are they worth the hassle of cleaning out for small quantities?

Convenience no 1 whenever I've been to concrete plant I've always lost time whilst they load their wagons, so by time you take travel and waiting time in I think it works OK plus materials del to site

 

[V8Druid]

I remember seeing an Italian built one on a farm near Dorchester, think it was four wheel drive and four wheel steer and I'd guess about half a cube. The loader had load cells on it so as long as the aggregate was kept dry it could do a good mix. It looked very capable but I'd be surprised if it would have gone on a trailer behind the land rover

summat like this ??

think there were a few Italian versions of them

got a winch here off of the big self loading site mixers ... chain driven with an electro-magnetic clutch for engagement off one of these sort of beasts

winch propelled the loading shovel/skip off the pulley at the top of the frame... IIRC the drum used to flip over to the rear to discharge ... big old beast

 

[Giles]

Still loving this from hillhead just not the £25k price tag

 

[pettsy]

Seen a couple of driven self-loading ones for sale at a local plant dealer in the past. Have often wondered wether they’re any use these days.

Guess this would be handy if you have the yard space for it…
Www.eBay.co.uk/itm/144705634791

 

[DaveDCB]

Firm I use is £75 per empty cube on lorry, minimum 6 cube and about £110 per cube, so if I only had 1 cube it would cost £485! Probably not so bad when you get into the realm of 3 cube @ £555! Luckily I’m always on quite abig site so always somewhere else to lay concrete!

 

[Thomas7740]

£84.50 plus vat per cube for 20/20 last week, £20 plus vat per empty cube, min charge of 6 cube. Unfortunately it’s going up £10.85 on 1st Jan, and part load charge is changing from 6 to 7 cube