Quattromike
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Now I need a license to be a showmanEasily if you've got a showmans licence
where does it stop!
where does it stop!
Pedrod355
Well-known member
So if you run white ur ok to drive on rd?
Quattromike
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I don't think so. According to the gov website if it's not agricultural or forestry work and the MAM is over 3.5T then it's minimum C1 or C license required
JD450A
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With a Telehandler, Yes. But no carrying goods bar items for the machine (forks in bucket and a can or two of fuel) Worth also noting that you either need to guard the forks (i.e a pallet over the tines) or remove them.
All this falls under STGO believe it or not.... Anything sat in the "Specialist Vehicle" Digging machine Or Works Trucks class that moves slowly sits in STGO
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3.6 Driving licence
Drivers of engineering plant (as defined under the STGO regulations) don’t have to hold a vocational licence, and this class of vehicle can therefore be driven by the holder of a car driving licence (category B).
Special types enforcement guide
The Rebated fuel is actually a HMRC issue. I run my 6t dumper on red and shift from site to site.... make of that what you will.
Using rebated fuels in vehicles and machines (Excise Notice 75)
Find out when you can use rebated diesel, biodiesel or kerosene in vehicles and other machinery.
8.14 Digging machines
To use red diesel, your vehicle must be designed, constructed and used for the purpose of trench digging or any kind of excavating or shovelling work. You must use it on the public road only for that purpose or when going to and from the place where it is used.When your vehicle is being used for these purposes it must not carry any load except that necessary for its propulsion or for operating its equipment.
For your vehicle to meet the definition of a digging machine, it must have been designed and constructed as a single machine capable of carrying out a digging function. Such machines are normally tracked vehicles, and include earth scraping machines, mobile drilling rigs and road planning or abrading machines used to remove the road surface. A tractor with a built in front shovel may also be classed as a digging machine.
Vehicles used for the following activities do not qualify in this category:
- shot–blasting to remove paint or other material from the surfaces of bridges, girders and the like
- transporting a digging machine, whether carried or trailer-mounted
This applies regardless of the extent of any design features or modifications that have been made to the transporting vehicle to facilitate moving the specific digging machine and its equipment. This includes where supporting apparatus is mounted and fastened, temporarily or permanently, in or on a vehicle for the convenience of moving it to and from different places where it will be used to support the digging machine when carrying out its work.
8.15 Works trucks
Your vehicle may use red diesel as a works truck if it is a goods vehicle designed for use in private premises. In any of the following circumstances, these vehicles must only be used on public roads:- for carrying goods between private premises and a vehicle on a road no more than one kilometre away
- when passing from one part of private premises to another
- when passing between private premises and other private premises where the different premises are within 1 kilometre of each other
- in connection with road works at the site of the works or within 1 kilometre of the site of the works
Examples of works trucks are fork lift trucks, ‘shunt’ vehicles designed to haul articulated trailers and their goods around sites and special vehicles which lift and move freight containers around sites. Typically, the vehicle will have a maximum speed well below road traffic speeds of 30 miles per hour or more, and will lack many of the features, such as braking and lighting systems, required under the Road Traffic Act 1988.
A tractor towing a trailer is not a works truck.
Hope this clears everything up for people.
Quattromike
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Good bit of information there but I'm still confused. The first paragraph above says you can only use STGO if can't safely be done using a vehicle that complies.
So I reckon a telehandler doesn't comply with C&U regs but the operation of moving it to site could possibly be done safely on the back of a low loader. What are they saying there?
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
Don't think too hard..... STGO covers a lot of gear, you will find that paragraph is more to boot the likes of the volumetric hero's into touch.
Bottom line is it's down to interpretation as with any regulation.
Quattromike
Well member-known
Yeah I think having read quite a bit of the links you've posted I'm more content that we can carry on with what we are doing.
Maybe I need to print out snippets of the info to appease the guys at work.
Quattromike
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It just takes one person to come in with their opinion that we are not doing it right for you to question what you are doing.
Quattromike
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And more often than not we are doing what we should anyway 
T whiting
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Just take a bucket with you and travel under digging machine
JD450A
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Tax class is the Issue Tom. If you retaxed the Handler as a digging machine you'd be more than fine... no mileage restriction.
T whiting
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Yes that's how my old man's one is taxed it seemed the easiest way round the loophole it just means you shouldn't tramp without a bucket
GazCro
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My telehandlers reg doc just has special vehicle for tax class there is nothing to differentiate between whether its a digging machine, works truck or whatever. So does that leave it open to interpretation
Quattromike
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Now Rory has schooled me a bit. My take is if it's special vehicle like telehandler it's engineering plant.
Engineering plant that isn't covered under the construction and use regulations is covered under STGO
So no special license requirements but you need to take into account the use of red diesel when traveling a certain distance on the roads.
Engineering plant that isn't covered under the construction and use regulations is covered under STGO
So no special license requirements but you need to take into account the use of red diesel when traveling a certain distance on the roads.
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fred
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3.5.3 Driving Licence
a. No (road going) driving licence is needed to operate trucks not driven on public roads,
but the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 apply.
b. The minimum driving ages applicable on public roads are:-
i) - Agriculture vehicles – 17 years
ii) – Industrial trucks of less than 3.5 tonnes (MAM) – 17 years (Note: “MAM”
relates to the “Maximum Authorised Mass” which is the truck’s total weight plus
the maximum load it can carry).
iii) – Industrial trucks over 3.5 tonnes and under 7.5 tonnes (MAM)- 18 years
iv) – Industrial trucks over 7.5 tonnes (MAM)- 21 years
If your a farmer with an ag registered telehandler then 17 for any weight machine which does seem odd.
a. No (road going) driving licence is needed to operate trucks not driven on public roads,
but the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 apply.
b. The minimum driving ages applicable on public roads are:-
i) - Agriculture vehicles – 17 years
ii) – Industrial trucks of less than 3.5 tonnes (MAM) – 17 years (Note: “MAM”
relates to the “Maximum Authorised Mass” which is the truck’s total weight plus
the maximum load it can carry).
iii) – Industrial trucks over 3.5 tonnes and under 7.5 tonnes (MAM)- 18 years
iv) – Industrial trucks over 7.5 tonnes (MAM)- 21 years
If your a farmer with an ag registered telehandler then 17 for any weight machine which does seem odd.
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fred
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none its not a goods vehicle.
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DaveDCB
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My telehandler is that slow on the road I try not to go further than 1km anyway 
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