Telehandlers on the road

[Quattromike]

We had some telehandler training happening today and the issue was raised about driving the machine along the road to the job without holding an HGV licence as it's over 7.5ton anyone heard anything about this?
I seem to remember that engineering plant ( telehandlers, 3CX, rubber duck) are not classed as hgv and can be driven on car licences but has there been a change recently?

 

[Smiffy]

We had some telehandler training happening today and the issue was raised about driving the machine along the road to the job without holding an HGV licence as it's over 7.5ton anyone heard anything about this?
I seem to remember that engineering plant ( telehandlers, 3CX, rubber duck) are not classed as hgv and can be driven on car licences but has there been a change recently?

If it's the same as agri stuff it's 18 for over 7.5t and 21 for the biggest handlers but no new test to take

 

[Jimbo69]

I’m not sure, there’s an age limit to take the 3CX on the road, I think it’s 21

 

[V8Druid]

We had some telehandler training happening today and the issue was raised about driving the machine along the road to the job without holding an HGV licence as it's over 7.5ton anyone heard anything about this?
I seem to remember that engineering plant ( telehandlers, 3CX, rubber duck) are not classed as hgv and can be driven on car licences but has there been a change recently?

depends on whether it's registered as eng plant, or ag. ..... IIRC for eng plant over a certain weight it's over 21 ... most ducks fall into that age category

 

[hiluxman]

Its something like you don't need an hgv licence if its for shoveling, digging and excavating.

So telehandle with bucket is good, telehandler with forks is hgv

 

[V8Druid]

We had some telehandler training happening today and the issue was raised about driving the machine along the road to the job without holding an HGV licence as it's over 7.5ton anyone heard anything about this?
I seem to remember that engineering plant ( telehandlers, 3CX, rubber duck) are not classed as hgv and can be driven on car licences but has there been a change recently?

it's also not an LGV as it should not be carrying any goods whatsoever ... Cranes changed to LGV license a long time ago .. even though they too are NOT goods vehicles and not allowed to carry anything other than their own equipment, but were compared to LGVs by virtue of their axle/wheel layout (truck mounted).... self propelled (like Fairys) continued to be car license, as they all had been prior to the change ..... they were all taxed as special vehicles prior to the changes

 

[Quattromike]

I just checked the V5 for both our telehandlers and they both list body type as: lift truck and taxation class as :special vehicle. They are both around 9.4 ton so does this mean over 18 but car license is ok?

 

[Quattromike]

It doesn't list much on the gov website except it keeps changing check with local library

 

[Left hooker]

To put this to bed no telehandler is allowed on road from hire yard to site but if it's agri spec and going farm to field it can
Big plant hire firm whos other half of business is farming got done for roading construction spec ones to sites and now move them all on beavertail lorrys as it's same rules as dumpers they can use their agg spec ones as normal for farm duties

 

[JD450A]

Telehandlers and dumpers are classed as works trucks. think it's 1km maximum roading distance on rebated fuel. Beyond that you can drain the tank and run them on white. You could also change tax class to digging machine, which would allow more roading but no load carrying.

License wise, 18 for mobile plant under 7.5t and 21 for over 7.5t... You DO NOT need a HGV to drive a works truck loaded on the road within the 1km distance. (any more than that and you cannot carry a load anyway nor run on rebated fuel).

FYI you DO NEED HGV1/C+E to drive a Tractor on the road being used for construction.... It also needs a O licence and white diesel and theoretically HGV road tax.

All needs overhauling.

 

[Quattromike]

Yep there it is, you can drive a tractor on category f which you get with standard car test but only for agricultural work. Construction work needs a goods vehicle license.

 

[hiluxman]

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Yep there it is, you can drive a tractor on category f which you get with standard car test but only for agricultural work. Construction work needs a goods vehicle license.

In that respect why do you me the 'e' part of the licence to drive a tractor. Surely just a c1 or c would do, with only the e part needed for a trailer behind the tractor?

Nothing is clear in any of our rulings....too many departments all with different criteria which always contradicts the other....hence you will always be breaking some rule no matter what you do.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Telehandlers and dumpers are classed as works trucks. think it's 1km maximum roading distance on rebated fuel. Beyond that you can drain the tank and run them on white. You could also change tax class to digging machine, which would allow more roading but no load carrying.

License wise, 18 for mobile plant under 7.5t and 21 for over 7.5t... You DO NOT need a HGV to drive a works truck loaded on the road within the 1km distance. (any more than that and you cannot carry a load anyway nor run on rebated fuel).

FYI you DO NEED HGV1/C+E to drive a Tractor on the road being used for construction.... It also needs a O licence and white diesel and theoretically HGV road tax.

All needs overhauling.

So the 17 year olds in 70 plate fastracs with triaxle lowlanders aren't legit then?
Bonkers innit, bit like the current regs basucally encourage you to drive a 2.0L pickup and Ifor at the limits all day long as a proper truck is so much faff but hey here we go again..

 

[JD450A]

So the 17 year olds in 70 plate fastracs with triaxle lowlanders aren't legit then?
Bonkers innit, bit like the current regs basucally encourage you to drive a 2.0L pickup and Ifor at the limits all day long as a proper truck is so much faff but hey here we go again..

Trixaxle lowloader is overweight for agricultural work in reality......

 

[Quattromike]

So the next question is which goods vehicle test is needed to drive a telehandler to a worksite?

 

[Quattromike]

In that respect why do you me the 'e' part of the licence to drive a tractor. Surely just a c1 or c would do, with only the e part needed for a trailer behind the tractor?

Nothing is clear in any of our rulings....too many departments all with different criteria which always contradicts the other....hence you will always be breaking some rule no matter what you do.

Yeah your right, just the C1 or C would be enough to get on the road the E part would only be for pulling a trailer

 

[Quattromike]

Looks like it was a good move getting that truck with the cheese wedge

 

[JD450A]

So the next question is which goods vehicle test is needed to drive a telehandler to a worksite?

None.

The issue is around rebated fuel... not the vehicle license.

 

[Quattromike]

The Goods Vehicles (Licensing of Operators) Regulations 1995

www.legislation.gov.uk

How easy is it to convince the authorities we are nowt but showmen

 

[hiluxman]

The Goods Vehicles (Licensing of Operators) Regulations 1995

www.legislation.gov.uk

How easy is it to convince the authorities we are nowt but showmen

Easily if you've got a showmans licence