So how do you move a container ship ??

Left hooker

Left hooker

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Wouldn't those air bags they use to roll boats and lift them slung underneath chained to port and starboard then inflated give it anymore boyance 🤔
 
Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
Wouldn't those air bags they use to roll boats and lift them slung underneath chained to port and starboard then inflated give it anymore boyance 🤔
Would have to be very careful with spot loading it🤔
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
wanna long reach in there with Rory on the sticks and shift that berm on the stb side, before they have any chance of pulling the stern round

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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Wouldn't those air bags they use to roll boats and lift them slung underneath chained to port and starboard then inflated give it anymore boyance 🤔
would wanna be sooooooooooooome air bags
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Makes me laugh how a bit of wind supposed to of sent it off course yet bob around in storms on the oceans no problems 🤣
no walls in the ocean Stu ..... not the first time they've hit summat with a cross wind in this ship

" The Ever Given was involved in an accident in northern Germany in 2019, when it ran into a small ferry moored on the Elbe River in Hamburg. No passengers were on the ferry at the time and there were no injuries, but it was seriously damaged.

Hamburg prosecutors opened an investigation of the Ever Given’s captain and pilot on suspicion of endangering shipping traffic, but shelved it in 2020 for lack of evidence, spokeswoman Liddy Oechtering told The Associated Press.

Oechtering also could not say what the investigation had determined the cause of the crash was, but officials at the time suggested that strong winds may have blown the slow moving cargo ship into the ferry. "
 
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DaveDCB

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Lost power didn’t it?

I think there is a dredger there now... I can’t believe there isn’t 50 diggers there making a mess!
Or could this all be on purpose?? 🤔
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Lost power didn’t it?

I think there is a dredger there now... I can’t believe there isn’t 50 diggers there making a mess!
Or could this all be on purpose?? 🤔
does make you wonder

" One salvage expert said freeing the cargo ship, the Ever Given, could take up to a week in the best-case scenario and warned of possible structural problems on the vessel as it remains wedged.

The Ever Given, owned by the Japanese firm Shoei Kisen KK, got wedged Tuesday in a single-lane stretch of the canal, about 6 kilometers (3.7 miles) north of the southern entrance, near the city of Suez.

Dredgers have stopped removing sand around the bow of the vessel and tugboats were preparing another towing attempt, said Lt. Gen. Osama Rabei, head of the Suez Canal Authority, in a statement Friday night. There was no immediate word on whether they have managed to budge the skyscraper-sized vessel, and previous attempts with tugboats were unsuccessful.

A team from Boskalis, a Dutch firm specializing in salvaging, was working with the canal authority with tugboats and a specialized suction dredger at the port side of the cargo ship’s bow. Egyptian authorities have prohibited media access to the site.

“It’s a complex technical operation” that will require several attempts to free the vessel, Rabei said in a statement.

Attempts earlier Friday to free it failed, said Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement, the technical manager of the Ever Given.

The Suez Canal Authority said it welcomed international assistance. The White House said it has offered to help Egypt reopen the canal. “We are consulting with our Egyptian partners about how we can best support their efforts,” press secretary Jen Psaki said.

An initial investigation showed the vessel ran aground due to strong winds and ruled out mechanical or engine failure, the company said. GAC, a global shipping and logistics company, had previously said the ship had experienced a power blackout, but it did not elaborate.

Bernhard Schulte said two canal pilots had been aboard when the ship got stuck. Such an arrangement is customary, but the ship’s captain retains ultimate authority over the vessel, according to experts.

In addition to the over 200 vessels waiting near the canal, more than 100 ships were en route to the waterway, according to the data firm Refinitiv.

Apparently anticipating long delays, the owners of the stuck vessel diverted a sister ship, the Ever Greet, to head around Africa instead, according to satellite data.

Others also are being diverted. The liquid natural gas carrier Pan Americas changed course in the mid-Atlantic, now aiming south to go around the southern tip of Africa, according to satellite data from MarineTraffic.com.

About 10% of world trade flows through the canal, which is particularly crucial for transporting oil. The closure also could affect oil and gas shipments to Europe from the Middle East.

Oil markets are absorbing the disruption for now, said analyst Toril Bosoni.

“Oil inventories have been coming down but they are still relatively ample,” he told The Associated Press, adding that he believes the impact might be more pronounced in the tanker sector than in the oil industry.

“We are not losing any oil supply but it will tie up tankers for longer if they have to go around” the tip of Africa, he said, which is roughly an additional two-week trip.

At the White House, Psaki added that the U.S. does see “some potential impacts on energy markets from the role of the Suez Canal as a key bidirectional transit route for oil. … We’re going to continue to monitor market conditions and we’ll respond appropriately if necessary, but it is something we’re watching closely.”

Freeing the Ever Given is “quite a challenge” and could take five days to a week, .Capt. Nick Sloane, a maritime salvage expert who led the high-profile effort to salvage the cruise ship Costa Concordia in 2012 told the AP.

The Ever Given’s location, size and large amount of cargo make the operation more complex, Sloane said. The operation should focus initially on dredging the bank and sea floor around it to get it floating again, rather than unloading its cargo, which could take weeks.

That’s because the clock is also ticking structurally for the vessel, he added.

“The longer it takes, the worse the condition of the ship will become, because she’s slowly sagging,” said Sloane, vice president of the International Salvage Union. “So ships are designed to flex, but not to be kept at that position with a full load of cargo for weeks at a time. So it’s not an easy situation.”

International companies are preparing for the effect that the canal’s blockage will have on supply chains that rely on precise deliveries of goods. Singapore’s Minister of Transport Ong Ye Kung said the country’s port should expect disruptions.

“Should that happen, some draw down on inventories will become necessary,” he said on Facebook.

The backlog of vessels could stress European ports and the international supply of containers, already strained by the coronavirus pandemic, according to IHS Markit, a business research group. It said 49 container ships were scheduled to pass through the canal in the week since the Ever Given became lodged.

The delay could also result in huge insurance claims by companies, according to Marcus Baker, global head of Marine & Cargo at the insurance broker Marsh, with a ship like the Ever Given usually covered at between $100 million to $200 million.

Those trying to free the vessel want to avoid complications that could extend the canal closure, according to an Egyptian official at the canal authority. The official spoke on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to talk to journalists.

Satellite and photos distributed by the canal authority show Ever Given’s bow touching the eastern wall, while its stern appeared lodged against the western wall. "
 
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powercom

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There was some talk of taking some containers off but that is going to be some crane to reach up and over that thing , and if it as along side on a barge some bloody big barge that i doubt would have the stability needed anyway plus another dozen barges to put 200 containers on each and to get that together quick would be an issue.
some of these salvage guys are very clever and have some great ideas but not always fast in getting going on with it
they measure tug boat power in bollard pull I believe and biggest tug in the world has 423tons of pull that does not seem that much

A D8 spec sheet seems to say it has 148,000 lbft of pull that would appear to be around 66 tons of tractive force ?
so 7 x D8 = biggest tug in the world , however when the tracks slip that maybe equals nothing but a combination of land and seaborne power is probably a good answer
 
Vinpetrol

Vinpetrol

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What’s the latest on this?
Have they given up on getting it squared up and floating without unloading it
 
T whiting

T whiting

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How is the water level in the Suez canal controlled I take they can't add a few more boards to put another meter of water in the canal the level obviously rises and falls as they said it's dropped half a meter since it ran aground
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
How is the water level in the Suez canal controlled I take they can't add a few more boards to put another meter of water in the canal the level obviously rises and falls as they said it's dropped half a meter since it ran aground
would guess it's tidal to a degree ....... can't see them having a lock able to accommodate that ship
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
just looked and " The Suez Canal is a sea level Canal and the height of water level differs slightly and the extreme tidal range is 65 cm in the north and 1.9 m in the south."
 
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fred

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they need to give the Swedes a bell and get their heavy recovery boys there asap

 
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