Small crushers

[Brendan]

I know a little about small crunchy things.

Tbh if you have a small need them often crushing comes no where near the efficiency and cost of simply getting rubble grabbed away and import certified secondary aggregate. Coupled with the fact that technically all these machines "should" have mobilisation permits and your bollocked before you start.

Anything towable is pretty useless.... Harsh but true, I've tried the rhinos and bar a 5000 which had been improved with a Perkins phaser I'd not bother unless the job was very specific.

There are a couple trailer based machines that will get reasonable throughput if the material is right.... Would I say it's cost effective? Probably not.

None of the small crushers will eat anything more troublesome than concrete blocks..... I've killed a baby rhino feeding it 4" concrete slab/footing..... Worth isn't wank rearrange the sentence.

Crusher buckets aren't my thing.... The hawkfawks and similar will do a job but I'd not personally say they are economical. I'd like to try the likes of the simex rotary crusher bucket but more for pulverising light waste and poor quality crush.

Just my opinions.

I did wonder about permits and seen a comment about how the tigerbite is under the "magic" 1t. Not sure if they meant for ease of transport or if under that weight different regs

 

[GazCro]

I did wonder about permits and seen a comment about how the tigerbite is under the "magic" 1t. Not sure if they meant for ease of transport or if under that weight different regs

It's not a crusher it's a bucket for a digger

 

[JD450A]

I did wonder about permits and seen a comment about how the tigerbite is under the "magic" 1t. Not sure if they meant for ease of transport or if under that weight different regs

Many moons ago we had a very old, very small belt driven unit from the 1930's. No word of a lie it was a hand feed job and would just eat a 9" block.... That said if fed right it would produce and I spent many hours carefully pulling rubble from beneath its mouth with a 450a backhoe.

We where supposedly allowed it without a permit as it was "tiny". A few years later we brought the kue ken and where informed we had been misguided by the prior E.A inspector and any crusher needed a permit or mobilisation order (same with screeners).

I'm not saying it's gospel, but I'd not want to invest in any small screen or crusher without a letter from the E.A stating you where the right side of the law.

Technically riddling stone or soil on site is quite grey..... And moving it from site to site without analysis is a big no these days..... And yes we all do it..... Yes the law is ridiculous, but then many a man has been prosecuted for sensible things.

Just my opinion and thoughts. But I own a crusher and a screen but rarely use either....a just not worth the aggravation.

 

[GazCro]

Many moons ago we had a very old, very small belt driven unit from the 1930's. No word of a lie it was a hand feed job and would just eat a 9" block.... That said if fed right it would produce and I spent many hours carefully pulling rubble from beneath its mouth with a 450a backhoe.

We where supposedly allowed it without a permit as it was "tiny". A few years later we brought the kue ken and where informed we had been misguided by the prior E.A inspector and any crusher needed a permit or mobilisation order (same with screeners).

I'm not saying it's gospel, but I'd not want to invest in any small screen or crusher without a letter from the E.A stating you where the right side of the law.

Technically riddling stone or soil on site is quite grey..... And moving it from site to site without analysis is a big no these days..... And yes we all do it..... Yes the law is ridiculous, but then many a man has been prosecuted for sensible things.

Just my opinion and thoughts. But I own a crusher and a screen but rarely use either....a just not worth the aggravation.

Yeah they want us to recycle but don't want to lose the agg tax so they want you to pay for permits instead.

 

[Bri963]

To be fair to the crushers and a very good reason not to hire out they will be one of the most abused bits of kit there is. First thing anyone asks with crushers, "whats the biggest size bits you can put in it" and then proceed to drop them in with work digger from a great height half goes in half rattles down the side of the crusher etc.

I recently had a Rhino 7000 out to crush about 600 tonnes of 2/3rds brick, 1/3rd concrete, everything pre-peckered smaller than the machine was supposed to be capable of handling. Two of us took shifts feeding it, careful not to overload it and keep a steady feed, and partway through it threw some sort of baffle plate out the bottom. First thing the fitter said, it was our fault for not keeping it fed enough causing this plate to shake loose. Finicky bloody thing blocked on bricks, blocked on concrete that was too hard, blocked on a part-bucket of soil that had got tipped in the middle of the heap. We were told to expect 20-30 tph out of it, don’t think we averaged 10 and it wasn’t particularly hard going.

 

[6feetdown]

Yeah they want us to recycle but don't want to lose the agg tax so they want you to pay for permits instead.

Should be reduced or no vat too.
Typical bs they want you to be green but tax you for the effort

 

[TiltyShaun]

I know a little about small crunchy things.

Tbh if you have a small need them often crushing comes no where near the efficiency and cost of simply getting rubble grabbed away and import certified secondary aggregate. Coupled with the fact that technically all these machines "should" have mobilisation permits and your bollocked before you start.

Anything towable is pretty useless.... Harsh but true, I've tried the rhinos and bar a 5000 which had been improved with a Perkins phaser I'd not bother unless the job was very specific.

There are a couple trailer based machines that will get reasonable throughput if the material is right.... Would I say it's cost effective? Probably not.

None of the small crushers will eat anything more troublesome than concrete blocks..... I've killed a baby rhino feeding it 4" concrete slab/footing..... Worth isn't wank rearrange the sentence.

Crusher buckets aren't my thing.... The hawkfawks and similar will do a job but I'd not personally say they are economical. I'd like to try the likes of the simex rotary crusher bucket but more for pulverising light waste and poor quality crush.

Just my opinions.

With the exception of the towed crusher I hire in. He speaks many words of wisdom for a young pup!!

 

[GazCro]

I recently had a Rhino 7000 out to crush about 600 tonnes of 2/3rds brick, 1/3rd concrete, everything pre-peckered smaller than the machine was supposed to be capable of handling. Two of us took shifts feeding it, careful not to overload it and keep a steady feed, and partway through it threw some sort of baffle plate out the bottom. First thing the fitter said, it was our fault for not keeping it fed enough causing this plate to shake loose. Finicky bloody thing blocked on bricks, blocked on concrete that was too hard, blocked on a part-bucket of soil that had got tipped in the middle of the heap. We were told to expect 20-30 tph out of it, don’t think we averaged 10 and it wasn’t particularly hard going.

As far as crushing capability goes the red rhinos are fairly similar in what they will crush to the 8 tonner buckets. The advantage the buckets have is if you are crushing something hard which jams the bucket if you feed it in too quickly don't crowd the bucket round as far so the jaws aren't vertical and it'll give it chance to crush it.

 

[JD450A]

Realistically all recycled/reused materials should be viewed as tax free and hassle free..... How much timber, insulation, slate etc would be saved if it was made cost effective.....

With the exception of the towed crusher I hire in. He speaks many words of wisdom for a young pup!!

Don't get me wrong there are a couple trailer built units that are impressive..... but next time its with you throw a lump of rock in and watch it get very very sad....... Don't feel so young these days

 

[DaveDCB]

As long as it’s under 200ton stockpile on site, and only on-site produced hardcore, and not being sold off site etc I’m sure you don’t need a permit?

 

[JD450A]

As long as it’s under 200ton stockpile on site, and only on-site produced hardcore, and not being sold off site etc I’m sure you don’t need a permit?

Still need a T7 exemption.... basically can only process <20tph and have a stockpile of 200t tops. But from experience this is more hassle to get than it's worth with councils either trying to make life hard or being so inept they don't understand it.

 

[Bri963]

As far as crushing capability goes the red rhinos are fairly similar in what they will crush to the 8 tonner buckets. The advantage the buckets have is if you are crushing something hard which jams the bucket if you feed it in too quickly don't crowd the bucket round as far so the jaws aren't vertical and it'll give it chance to crush it.

First thought was a bucket, but we couldn’t get hold of one when we needed it.

 

[GazCro]

 

[bobthebuilder]

Hired this for 200 ton of conglomerate stone 3 hours job done

 

[doobin]

Hired this for 200 ton of conglomerate stone 3 hours job done
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I like the way they stick a label saying agri on it.

Like that makes it all legal. Should have added a Grassmen sticker for extra surety.

 

[Lancs Lad]

I like the way they stick a label saying agri on it.

Like that makes it all legal. Should have added a Grassmen sticker for extra surety.

Lad I know has a fully stickered grassmen nh and triaxle lowloader...hardly been off tarmac...but likewise it's never been tugged either...

 

[JD450A]

Trouble with anything tractor orientated is the lack of clarity in the rules..... It's pretty black and white in reality but the outstanding inability of the DoT to publish meaningful legal legislation is what makes it grey

 

[Smiffy]

I like the way they stick a label saying agri on it.

Like that makes it all legal. Should have added a Grassmen sticker for extra surety.

And a beefy flap
Couple of farmers around here offer free hardcore tips. One has there own crusher.

 

[Giles]

Hired this for 200 ton of conglomerate stone 3 hours job done
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Tried to hirer guy with smaller one of these to do my pile of sandstone, wanted. £700 to turn up then was big faff on feeding it and what size putting in it, wanted to feed it himself with his machine at extra cost etc.

 

[Brendan]

It's all cost, I can't see the little ones being worth the effort and the quality of crushed "concrete" round here is not great but at the same time quarried type one has crept upto £30-35 a ton plus vat