Sany Chinese Excavator Mega-Factory

[Monkeybusiness]

Dairy farms round here milk 1000 cows plus - their machines work more than a couple of hours a day tbh. Lots of JCBs doing lots of hours (but all relatively new on the bigger farms to be fair).

 

[Regy53]

have to say my old yard rented from a farmer, they had jcb telehandlers. Never really saw them in any bother. They worked it not all days every day but it wasnt exactly looked after. Circa 2010 with 7000 hours.

 

[TiltyShaun]

have to say my old yard rented from a farmer, they had jcb telehandlers. Never really saw them in any bother. They worked it not all days every day but it wasnt exactly looked after. Circa 2010 with 7000 hours.

I think they also tend to work in less arduous conditions. Not axle deep in mud. Run around on nice concrete yards!

 

[Davedb]

The Agri Side has plenty of issues too.... but they are less noticeable due to the fact that farmers wreck there gear anyway (which hides JCB's issues with panels and other random shite falling off) and Paint is'nt a issue as anything that works in muck rusts.

Agri gear also tends to do far less real working hours.... You'd think a telehandler on a dairy farm would be flat out all day, but reality is about a hour in the morning and two hours at night.

Now now Ive seen machines on dairy farms doing 2500hours a year and more than one doing that aswell I hardly think a load all on a building site lifting a pack of bricks every now and again can be compared to the work on a farm especially buckraking silage paint is crap on Jcb loadalls but they seem to stand up well other than that

 

[Shovelhands]

Some of the Ag Telehandlers around here are some of the hardest worked machines you’ll find. Imo, if you are just comparing telehandlers, then the Ag sector machines are worked far far harder than most construction telehandlers.
yes there are exceptions to the rule, on both sides, but in general Ag machines are worked harder, many with less than forgiving operators/owners. The Ag machines are a far higher spec, but I'm not sure that makes much difference, in fact there’s more to go wrong.
As for JCB telehandlers, yes they do go wrong, but the backup is good, the product is good, and the residuals are unbeatable imo.

 

[Komatsu]

Some of the Ag Telehandlers around here are some of the hardest worked machines you’ll find. Imo, if you are just comparing telehandlers, then the Ag sector machines are worked far far harder than most construction telehandlers.
yes there are exceptions to the rule, on both sides, but in general Ag machines are worked harder, many with less than forgiving operators/owners. The Ag machines are a far higher spec, but I'm not sure that makes much difference, in fact there’s more to go wrong.
As for JCB telehandlers, yes they do go wrong, but the backup is good, the product is good, and the residuals are unbeatable imo.

And this was my point, why is it just some of the construction machines that seem to have all the problems, and the Ag’s seem to get trashed and still keep going? OR is it just more cosmetic stuff that gets flagged up in the constructions machine, which in turn leaves people to say that the machine is no good?, most of us will spend a whole day in the machine and like to try and keep it clean and tidy, where as a farmer isn’t really that bothered, as long as the engine starts and it can do it’s job, it’s all good.
I’m on a 330 (2015 model) at the moment, now while the cab and the layout leaves a lot to be desired, (what I would class as cosmetic) it’s extremely fast, exceptionally smooth and very good on fuel.

As for Ag tele-handlers vs construction ones totally agree with you, construction ones don’t even come close to the Ag ones in terms of work.....always a good hire though if you can get them onto a site though, cos you know it’ll just be on tick over most of the time, and the flip side of that, is that they are a good buy at auctions if you can get one.

 

[Pond digger]

The telehandler is generally the one machine on a farm that is started up everyday of the year.

 

[powercom]

Well totally agree with that, just watching the programme that Guy Martin did about Japan gave you an in-sight to there mentally towards work and the stand and attention to detail that is expected from everyone.
Remember the first time I seriously went round the JCB factory when I was looking at machines, I was blown away with everything the machines been made the people everywhere, the noise, we were given headsets so that the guide could speak to us it was that loud, it was impressive......a week later I was taken round the komatsu factory at Birtley......no noise, very few people there, just mainly robots doing the work, you could speak to each other, it was on a different league altogether. Now I know things have changed at JCB after my last visit, but my point is, we just seem to be playing catch up all the time.

When I watched the Guy martin programme and they had old boy ( 83 ?) on who was the engineer with the lathe who had according to the "programme at least " made parts for Nuclear power stations etc I was thinking to myself I wonder where his ISO accreditation is and all the bollocks anyone in the uk would need to produce to get any sort of work off a big organisation let alone a Nuclear power station !
No disrespect to him but he didn't look to be the type to have 10 binders of paperwork to confirm that he could make a part to high standard , but on the bigger picture is that something the Japanese just expect from you as an engineer as opposed to us that we have to prove it but not necessarily deliver it ?

The building industry is case in point here in the UK there are 8 bodgers for every 10 building companies big or small where 80% right is enough and the rest is hidden or bodged. And very little Pride in work at the individual level of employees in those business, yes we can blame price and time pressures for some of that but you lads will have seen it time and time again , if some one cant be bothered to even dress themselves reasonably in the morning and comes to site wearing jogging bottoms so dirty you would not clean your tracks with them with, and rolls out of a next scrap transit with not single straight panel chucks his tab and coffee cut out the window of said van rather than put in the skip . He is pretty unlikely to be very a conscientious worker who has pride in what he does .

 

[Pond digger]

I’m afraid too many people just have a slovenly, can’t be arsed attitude. You only have to look at our litter strewn highway verges to see this. I often wonder what foreign visitors must think: what kind of impression does it give when we show such contempt for our own surroundings. I really do despair at times!

 

[Brendan]

Only issue with the sany is they are not really a great deal cheaper than any of the market leaders. Aren't they something like within 2k at 2.6t and when the rep was at my mates yard their 20t machine, was not far off of the book figure for the jcb.
Other issue is what sort of backup do they have over here

 

[V8Druid]

When I watched the Guy martin programme and they had old boy ( 83 ?) on who was the engineer with the lathe who had according to the "programme at least " made parts for Nuclear power stations etc I was thinking to myself I wonder where his ISO accreditation is and all the bollocks anyone in the uk would need to produce to get any sort of work off a big organisation let alone a Nuclear power station !
No disrespect to him but he didn't look to be the type to have 10 binders of paperwork to confirm that he could make a part to high standard , but on the bigger picture is that something the Japanese just expect from you as an engineer as opposed to us that we have to prove it but not necessarily deliver it ?

The building industry is case in point here in the UK there are 8 bodgers for every 10 building companies big or small where 80% right is enough and the rest is hidden or bodged. And very little Pride in work at the individual level of employees in those business, yes we can blame price and time pressures for some of that but you lads will have seen it time and time again , if some one cant be bothered to even dress themselves reasonably in the morning and comes to site wearing jogging bottoms so dirty you would not clean your tracks with them with, and rolls out of a next scrap transit with not single straight panel chucks his tab and coffee cut out the window of said van rather than put in the skip . He is pretty unlikely to be very a conscientious worker who has pride in what he does .

that "old boy " probably served several years of apprenticeship under a.n.other master craftsman and has spent his life honing his craft and skills to a level that exceed most found anywhere these days .... he would not get a second chance in his industry without them.
the main problem Guy high lighted was that there was no-one behind him to follow on .... true everywhere .... WTF is going to do/produce what our current skilled engineers achieve when they're gone?

 

[Komatsu]

that "old boy " probably served several years of apprenticeship under a.n.other master craftsman and has spent his life honing his craft and skills to a level that exceed most found anywhere these days .... he would not get a second chance in his industry without them.
the main problem Guy high lighted was that there was no-one behind him to follow on .... true everywhere .... WTF is going to do/produce what our current skilled engineers achieve when they're gone?

That’s exactly what my thoughts were to, and think it was actually a 10 year apprenticeship, and I can’t really see the power station cutting corners and going for the cheapest route, they did also say that, that was all he made, that same thing, over and over again.
But like you say, no pride in the work anymore, very sad really.
Funnily enough, the best fabricators/welders I come across when working round the country have all run out of small set ups like that. Just got a lad back home who has just started up by himself, and he used to work at one of the power stations round here, got talking about the work he did there and all their welding rods came in sealed bags, and if you didn’t use them within 8 hours they just got thrown, a lot of what he was saying went over my head, but would of thought you’d make sense of it all Gra, very interesting though

 

[V8Druid]

...exactly what my thoughts were to, .....But like you say, no pride in the work anymore, very sad really.
Funnily enough, the best fabricators/welders I come across when working round the country have all run out of small set ups like that. ....all their welding rods came in sealed bags, and if you didn’t use them within 8 hours they just got thrown,.....

if they're no good they don't last ..... simples

hermetically sealed packaging with monitored moisture content on closure .... Vodex rods used to come in a sealed bag inside a sealed tin box .. opened it with a can opener
don't want any 'gassing' in a critical weld

 

[pettsy]

WTF is going to do/produce what our current skilled engineers achieve when they're gone?

A bloke I know has been welding/fabricating since I would think his late teens. You can turn up with a rough sketch/thought in your head and he’s just got that skill to engineer it out of metal. Won’t let anything leave with snots and rough welds regardless of the application. Pride in his work and can do a good job rather than those who can just talk a good job!

 

[Komatsu]

Yeh that was my point Gra...they might not have all the ISO accreditation etc, but just ooze guality and solutions at an acceptable price

That rings a bell with what he was telling me, was interesting and made sense.

 

[V8Druid]

A bloke I know has been welding/fabricating since I would think his late teens. You can turn up with a rough sketch/thought in your head and he’s just got that skill to engineer it out of metal. Won’t let anything leave with snots and rough welds regardless of the application. Pride in his work and can do a good job rather than those who can just talk a good job!

a lot of my customers used to call us the dream makers .... they'd dream summat up and we'd make it happen ..... even if it was the vaguest of ideas, we could usually get it right for 'em ..... a real satisfaction in creating from nothing .... one guy used to call the lads ... the sorcerer's apprentices .. used to make me laugh

 

[Rob 210]

A bloke I know has been welding/fabricating since I would think his late teens. You can turn up with a rough sketch/thought in your head and he’s just got that skill to engineer it out of metal. Won’t let anything leave with snots and rough welds regardless of the application. Pride in his work and can do a good job rather than those who can just talk a good job!

Old guy once told me"those who can DO,and those who can't teach!!"

 

[Komatsu]

Old guy once told me"those who can DO,and those who can't teach!!"

Haha....haven’t heard that in a long time, so so true

 

[V8Druid]

Old guy once told me"those who can DO,and those who can't teach!!"

in the teaching profession (I trained as a constructional design teacher in another life, in another millennium ) we had a saying that " those that can teach, teach .. those that can't, teach teachers ".... and it was so true ...
our lecturers in Redland were muppets ... pushed through the system as fast as possible ....

HOD hadn't taught in a school in 27 years t'others were pushing 10 years .... and could barely wield a tool ....

most of my year group were mature students ... I was 19 - spent a year working and saving, 'fore i went ... we had an architect, an ex-RAF flying instructor, TV repair man, green grocer, a cabinet maker , a toolmaker a site carpenter , a clock maker .... all sorts and two 18 year old school leavers, direct from school ... we used to hold lectures for our group in our various forte's .... didn't go down too well, but we weren't gonna get the skills elsewhere ....
all the group could arc (MMA) and gas weld & braze proficiently, by the time they left, at the end of our course

 

[BertB.]

So ummm getting back on topic sorta has anybody tried one of these Sany excavators? I looked in to them a little bit before buying my tractor and the pricing wasn't much better than any of the Japanese or Korean manufacturers. And a friend of mine ran one of their 7.5 tonners and he's a tall guy he said the cab was cramped and uncomfortable and of course called it a 'piece of s**t' right off the bat. lol