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AeroNautiCal
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This remarkable German made video came out on the Free Documentary YT Channel today 18/12/19.
doobin
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So that welding plant cost 40 million euros. Yet the workers adding the tack welds are still expected to hold a mask in front of their faces, rather than being given a ten euro auto mask?
Regy53
I like cake
I really like working with paint. I like the smell 
doobin
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^ Yeah, that tickled me too.
TiltyShaun
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Loved the insight......still won’t buy one.....yet!
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powercom
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A very impressive set up and some interesting insight , changed the undercarriage painting from robots back to people as the robots could not cope with the swinging of the undercarriage while suspended on chains !
75 tons of steel on the inbound plate truck !!! and it looked like 75 tons as well , a big load
And it mentioned there pricing strategy in the EU market was a bit cheaper than EU produced product , but bit more than korean product as they are better.
I guess we Naively assume that some chinese product is in some way substandard in its manufacture be that the workplace or the employees but from what i could see on the video there was little that they need to add to make a world class product just some extra time and some commitment that i assume they have
75 tons of steel on the inbound plate truck !!! and it looked like 75 tons as well , a big load
And it mentioned there pricing strategy in the EU market was a bit cheaper than EU produced product , but bit more than korean product as they are better.
I guess we Naively assume that some chinese product is in some way substandard in its manufacture be that the workplace or the employees but from what i could see on the video there was little that they need to add to make a world class product just some extra time and some commitment that i assume they have
Regy53
I like cake
The problem is. I had this same thought every time I did the jcb factory tour with a customer. Used to come out feeling a little patriotic, full of beans and a belief that how could these machines go wrong. It is simply incredible. Yet somehow they do and other brands do not anywhere near as much.
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Komatsu
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There’re a very good machine, and it’s only brand snobbery that is holding people back, if some of the big demo boys are taking them, that’s enough for me, because they certainly couldn’t and wouldn’t stand for any down time.
Old man Taylor told me a story from many years ago when him and Lister were working down south with another owner op. Rob had his Terex, Lister had is Liebherr and the other lad had/or had just got a Hyundai, 3 years later, and plenty of piss taking, Rob had had serious issues with his machine, and Lister had had the same with his...the lad with the Hyundai never put a spanner to his, (apart from servincing)....and they were all on the same rate.....he certainly got the last laugh
....if you buy cheap, you sell cheap, but if you can save a fare chunk to begin with it’s all better for the bottom line.
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Komatsu
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How does the Agri side and telehandler side come into all this Ross, cos never heard anything really bad about them and you can’t really seem to drive 10 mile without seeing a Fastrac go past you, and every farm seems to have at least one telehandler on there?...or is it just certain construction machine that they seem to have problems with?
Regy53
I like cake
I agree and ultimately I have no idea why or how.
I have not been to the factory since 2012 so my views are very much old ones and likely it has changed but genuinly the jcb 8018 ( square boom ) and jcb 8026 were just out and the showing of the manufacturing process of these two units and what they did different to the old models was unreal. You really did think it was impossible for the silly things that jcb was known for to still be present. Sadly they were
I do love manufacturing process but it is easy to get caught up in how good it looks. I just find it strange that Jcb in my example still couldn’t get it right but kubota had been doing it for years
It has somthing to do with the Japanese imo
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Komatsu
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Well totally agree with that, just watching the programme that Guy Martin did about Japan gave you an in-sight to there mentally towards work and the stand and attention to detail that is expected from everyone.
Remember the first time I seriously went round the JCB factory when I was looking at machines, I was blown away with everything the machines been made the people everywhere, the noise, we were given headsets so that the guide could speak to us it was that loud, it was impressive......a week later I was taken round the komatsu factory at Birtley......no noise, very few people there, just mainly robots doing the work, you could speak to each other, it was on a different league altogether. Now I know things have changed at JCB after my last visit, but my point is, we just seem to be playing catch up all the time.
JD450A
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The Agri Side has plenty of issues too.... but they are less noticeable due to the fact that farmers wreck there gear anyway (which hides JCB's issues with panels and other random shite falling off) and Paint is'nt a issue as anything that works in muck rusts.
Agri gear also tends to do far less real working hours.... You'd think a telehandler on a dairy farm would be flat out all day, but reality is about a hour in the morning and two hours at night.
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Komatsu
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We’re talking about real farms/dairy farms Rory, not you playing with your Britain’s Farm set before you go to work and when you get back
...don’t know many dairy farmers who just use it for 3 hrs a day?
doobin
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When I worked on a dairy farm that was the winter workload. Obviously harvest hours are another matter!We’re talking about real farms/dairy farms Rory, not you playing with your Britain’s Farm set before you go to work and when you get back
Gunners
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I have a good friend who contract farms most of Hampshire - 1000's of acres, and they have shed after shed full of sub 3 year old John Deere stuff. 3 Combines, endless tractors, a £250k sprayer.... and a JCB telehandler. They get issues, but in the summer, it never sits still and they still say its the best machine available. JCB are also quick to respond if it does go down. Yes all their kit is within warranty but all get some serious hours on them in 3 years.We’re talking about real farms/dairy farms Rory, not you playing with your Britain’s Farm set before you go to work and when you get back
I think JCB's main problem is consistency with manufacturing. Plenty of people have JCB's that never go wrong and yet the next one off the line is a troublemaker. I also think they run them harder than the Japanese machines. Certainly in the 2.7t class the JCB tracks faster, digs deeper, lifts more and is more powerful than the Kubota and definitely the Takeuchi.
Its actually much more noticeable on Takeuchi's than any other brand, I've thought for a long time they run them just a little slower to aid longevity.
Furniss
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I used to help my cousin on the dairy farm and it was pretty much that too - hour or so each end of they day.
Dissapointing as a former JCB guy that even over here they have got a bad reputation now - over the last say 8 years, when I used to sell a few machines they all wanted JCB because they had a great reputation but it has become like the u.k "Je Casse Bien" is the latest abbreviation going round social media - I know people who never even run them jump on the bandwagon ... but still there must be something in it
- Kubota / Hitachi seem to have the best reputation over here in France.
Dissapointing as a former JCB guy that even over here they have got a bad reputation now - over the last say 8 years, when I used to sell a few machines they all wanted JCB because they had a great reputation but it has become like the u.k "Je Casse Bien" is the latest abbreviation going round social media - I know people who never even run them jump on the bandwagon ... but still there must be something in it
- Kubota / Hitachi seem to have the best reputation over here in France.
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V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
and even more to do with their work and general ethic ....... only one standard .. gold std.
JD450A
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Never seen a Dairy farm use one flat out... bar a large unit we dropped a spare manitou too. Literally about 20 acres of sheds and yard. 3 small telehandlers and Two large machines, plus a loading shovel.
Yes they get abit more use in the summer, but it's naff all....
Yes they get abit more use in the summer, but it's naff all....
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
it's an interesting vid and an obviously huge investment, but hardly state of the art in a lot things ... and you know the old saying, re. quantity V. quality
Plus .... I'm not sure I'd like my machine having a direct line to ying tong land .... guaranteed to be a two way street, ultimately ... can you imagine the chaos a worldwide shutdown would cause !!
Plus .... I'm not sure I'd like my machine having a direct line to ying tong land .... guaranteed to be a two way street, ultimately ... can you imagine the chaos a worldwide shutdown would cause !!
TiltyShaun
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Got to be honest. Not a big BIG BROTHER fan either!it's an interesting vid and an obviously huge investment, but hardly state of the art in a lot things ... and you know the old saying, re. quantity V. quality
Plus .... I'm not sure I'd like my machine having a direct line to ying tong land .... guaranteed to be a two way street, ultimately ... can you imagine the chaos a worldwide shutdown would cause !!
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