V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
generally, rotate on left and tilt on the right
doobin
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Yes. Took me a while to get used to the other way around (whilst keeping rotate left/grab right when using grab) but now I jump between the two and don’t even think about it.generally, rotate on left and tilt on the right
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Maxus
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Been doing a lot of pontificating around what to go for re tilt rotator and have a much better idea of what I want and how it all works. Thought, for my sins, I'd share my thoughts and see what you thought!
I'm thinking to go with rototilt rc1, direct mount with an ss9 type control system (rcs2?) (4 pipe setup with a switch wired in to the cab to divert either tilt or rotate to grab), and on s40. It also has a screen in the cab that controls the hydraulic hitch, so i could add a hydraulic top hitch if i felt like i needed it later down the line using the machines existing hydraulic hitch lines. I don't want to, or do arb work very much at all, so the compromise on the grab is acceptable. Direct mount will loose me less break out force if i want to put a ripper tooth on and dig out the odd stump, and will of course keep the weight down. If I need to I can run attachments, breaker, auger etc. even flail.... I rarely use these so the additional build height, weight and expense of a top hitch makes little sense, but I could add in the future if my work changes. From what I understand the rc1 units are pretty bullet proof. Apparently S40 is the way to go on this size machine and is that much more common if looking for suitable attachments.
I've been a bit put off engcon hearing about less than optimal reliability and the ec02 might be a bit on the delicate side mounted directly on this size of machine. Plus, with the engcon I've been advised to go for dc2 which is stupid money.
Steelwrist x04 is a good contender but I've yet to be convinced or understand exactly how it would pair with the EZ26. I have seen a few EZ26 x04 setups on ebay, not sure if that's a good or bad thing! I've not seen an rc1 on an EZ26, or on any 2.7t machine. I would be interested to hear if someone has had experience operating 4 piper on the EZ26, as the dc2 recommendation was because it's guaranteed to feel a certain way, whereas 4 pipe, relying on the machines hydraulics, will flow share and operate in an unpredictable way.
I'm thinking to go with rototilt rc1, direct mount with an ss9 type control system (rcs2?) (4 pipe setup with a switch wired in to the cab to divert either tilt or rotate to grab), and on s40. It also has a screen in the cab that controls the hydraulic hitch, so i could add a hydraulic top hitch if i felt like i needed it later down the line using the machines existing hydraulic hitch lines. I don't want to, or do arb work very much at all, so the compromise on the grab is acceptable. Direct mount will loose me less break out force if i want to put a ripper tooth on and dig out the odd stump, and will of course keep the weight down. If I need to I can run attachments, breaker, auger etc. even flail.... I rarely use these so the additional build height, weight and expense of a top hitch makes little sense, but I could add in the future if my work changes. From what I understand the rc1 units are pretty bullet proof. Apparently S40 is the way to go on this size machine and is that much more common if looking for suitable attachments.
I've been a bit put off engcon hearing about less than optimal reliability and the ec02 might be a bit on the delicate side mounted directly on this size of machine. Plus, with the engcon I've been advised to go for dc2 which is stupid money.
Steelwrist x04 is a good contender but I've yet to be convinced or understand exactly how it would pair with the EZ26. I have seen a few EZ26 x04 setups on ebay, not sure if that's a good or bad thing! I've not seen an rc1 on an EZ26, or on any 2.7t machine. I would be interested to hear if someone has had experience operating 4 piper on the EZ26, as the dc2 recommendation was because it's guaranteed to feel a certain way, whereas 4 pipe, relying on the machines hydraulics, will flow share and operate in an unpredictable way.
Storrsy
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I've seen those EZ26/steel wrists on eBay and thought perhaps they're selling because they're noddy, I like the EZ26 when I hired on recently but definitely felt light on the back. I think the general consensus on here is that S30 is fine for a 2.7t and the less weight is welcomed. If your getting into heavy work probably would want the tilty off anyway but that comes back to having a top hitch for ease of removal.
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Maxus
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With my current setup, I have a strickland hydraulic hitch that I believe weighs about 70kg, the rototilt rc1 is 115kg... so based on how the machine feels currently I think it would work. I doubt I'll be doing heavy work with it, every now and then maybe... Perhaps the zero tail/compact radius is going to be too much of a compromise for some, but it's working well for me so far. The ec02, at 80kg is a tempting prospect, as is s30 which engcon say is fine. Rototilt are adamant that s40 is the best arrangement on 2.7t.
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Monkeybusiness
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If you aren’t looking to share attachments with a bigger machine I’d suggest going with S30, and keep everything as small/light/compact as possible.
Storrsy
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70kg for a hyd hitch, That's mental! Ask @CPS but I'm sure one of his hyd S30 hitches is considerably less than that and the height will so much better too.
doobin
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1000%. I think @Maxus is being led up the garden path by a salesman rather than an operator.
doobin
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Top hitch will loose you even less breakout force for a ripper etc. I've probably over a thousand hours on a tilty on that size machine, and I'm just as happy to drop it off for efficiency as I am to put it on for landscape work.
Despite what the salesman might have told you, there's no way you wil be able to run even an auger or a breaker efficiently through a tilty like that, much less a flail. The throughport on that size swivel will probably be 20 litres per minute, possibly 30 (I'm not familar with Rototilt). Your machine will put out more than 50 liltres per minute on the aux. Why would you accept a 50% reduction in hydraulic flow as a viable compromise? It's not.
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Maxus
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thats the hitch i currently have according to the data sheet (i havent weighed it!) is 70kg and with a 1.2m grading bucket it's nice to use. I will ask CPS for a hitch if i go down that route, and bribe him with whisky
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Maxus
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I had the idea to put a diverter valve on the hammer circuit and lose tilt (or rotate, i can't rember which) and run any attachment from that. I do get what you are saying and a top hitch was my first instinct. If i went rototilt it would be easy to add one. Top hitch is built height and weight..... 2 things i'm trying to avoid!
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Maxus
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Salesman leading prospective clients up the garden path?? Never!
Storrsy
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In this day and age I'm not sure the majority of salesmen know much more than you can gleen from online/other people's experience. It's not like the old days where you had a paper brochure and if you were lucky may find another user in your local area- it's just picking through it all and working out what suits . I realise there are some very good sale men on here but I think they're the exception rather than the rule!
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Storrsy
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Speak as I find perhaps I got lucky!shipping may leave a bit to be desired with some though
TiltyShaun
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I have an Engcon S30 on my Kubota Kx71-3. I run attachments through a diverter valve, the main one being a flail. I can’t track and flail or adjust the head, but when I am Flailing, I generally do what I can do, then move, flail and repeat.
I would worry about going S40 with increase in the weight.
I would worry about going S40 with increase in the weight.
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Maxus
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What control system do you have?
TiltyShaun
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Mine is so old it has push buttons and I control the flow through the foot pedal.
My Kobelco SK75-3 has DC2. Only issue has been an intermediate fault one of the roller wiring. Stop and restart and it clears.
Storrsy
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Has anyone considered a rototop hitch? Yeah I know they aren't the full monty but very low build height and weight and for a 4 pipe machine leaves a spare circuit for running attachments too without going through the hitch. I kinda like the robust simplicity of them tbh
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6feetdown
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I've S40 on my Ez26.
I'd go S30 if there is any weight saving.
I ended up putting weights on the counterweight as it was a little noddy.
Aiden @CPS will know more about the weight saving and definitely go 4 pipe
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