Operating 4x4 and trailer O license 'small trailer' exemption

[Justme]

It says at the end loose tools and equipment of which ramps are equipment.
Ramps aren't part of the body or body parts.
And check ifor trailers they ramps are only held down by gravity in a tongue and groove slot no fixings.

With a retainer so cant slide or jump out so not just gravity holding them in.

I think mine are behind the number plate flap.

It also says this "all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road"

Ramps are necessary for is normal use.

 

[Giles]

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They're actually all less than 1020kg believe it or not. I wonder if ramps cage sides etc. would be considered payload?

The Nugent big one is certainly over that and my ifor tt3621 with options on in heavier than that

 

[Giles]

It says at the end loose tools and equipment of which ramps are equipment.
Ramps aren't part of the body or body parts.
And check ifor trailers they ramps are only held down by gravity in a tongue and groove slot no fixings.

On the new tippers there’s a restraining system for the ramps

 

[Maxus]

The Nugent big one is certainly over that and my ifor tt3621 with options on in heavier than that

The tt3621 is a big ol' trailer that's got sure. I'm on the other end of the spectrum with the tt2515. I've had all three sizes... all trailers very, but with the small trailer exemption rule I think I'd only go for the small or if I could tow 3.5T the medium.

 

[Smiffy]

With a retainer so cant slide or jump out so not just gravity holding them in.

I think mine are behind the number plate flap.

It also says this "all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road"

Ramps are necessary for is normal use.

But gravity is the only thing holding them down.
No securing pins or bolts or straps.

And they aren't necessary for the normal use of the trailer.
Take the ramps away and the trailer functions exactly the same on the road . But take the sides off and trailer will function differently one the road.
As JD said you aren't going to weigh ratchet straps.

Ramps would only be included on a plant trailer where they are physically attached

 

[Monkeybusiness]

But gravity is the only thing holding them down.
No securing pins or bolts or straps.

And they aren't necessary for the normal use of the trailer.
Take the ramps away and the trailer functions exactly the same on the road . But take the sides off and trailer will function differently one the road.
As JD said you aren't going to weigh ratchet straps.

Ramps would only be included on a plant trailer where they are physically attached

I rolled an Ifor tipper and the ramps stayed in place. Gravity isn’t keeping them in place on its own, they are well secured in their integral locating slots with the clips locking them in.
I would argue that they don’t form part of the trailer’s unladen weight though, as they aren’t necessary for the majority of the trailer’s uses.

 

[Brendan]

Any item fitted counts as unladen weight, so sides, ramps, jacks/stands, spare wheels ect all get included.

Just like for the vehicle DP under 2040kg rules rear load bed covers on pickups count.

It's unladen as in kerb weight from factory, extras aren't included but are for vat purposes, hence why some people who bought pickups had to add the canopy or roller shutter afterwards as the vehicles payload would be below 1t

 

[Justme]

But gravity is the only thing holding them down.
No securing pins or bolts or straps.

And they aren't necessary for the normal use of the trailer.
Take the ramps away and the trailer functions exactly the same on the road . But take the sides off and trailer will function differently one the road.
As JD said you aren't going to weigh ratchet straps.

Ramps would only be included on a plant trailer where they are physically attached

You really think they will let you take parts off the trailer to weight it to prove its under the limit?


Not that I can see this law actually ever being enforced as they would have to also make you unload it first too most of the time.

 

[Brendan]

You really think they will let you take parts off the trailer to weight it to prove its under the limit?


Not that I can see this law actually ever being enforced as they would have to also make you unload it first too most of the time.

I'm sure I asked the question else where about the big mobile stages that are towed and they weren't on o license at 3.5t a unit

 

[Justme]

It's unladen as in kerb weight from factory, extras aren't included but are for vat purposes, hence why some people who bought pickups had to add the canopy or roller shutter afterwards as the vehicles payload would be below 1t

The unladen for exemption purposes is not as per factory spec.

Its as per actual in use weight spec.

The RTA is clear on this.

It might be for tax at point of sale reasons.

 

[Justme]

I'm sure I asked the question else where about the big mobile stages that are towed and they weren't on o license at 3.5t a unit

Surely most of a stage is demountable & parts demounted are not needed for its use as a trailer unlike ramps.

This exemption might apply.

a vehicle with equipment permanently attached to it for the life of that vehicle. Examples of such equipment include permanently fixed machines or appliances. Additionally, the only other goods or burden that such vehicles are allowed to carry are those essential for use in connection with that fixed equipment. As a general rule, loose tools, cooking equipment, foodstuffs, furniture or display units of any kind or other articles that are not a permanent fixture on the vehicle would not constitute goods that are essential for the use of the fixed equipment.

Is a stage an exhibition vehicle? I would say not but could be argued it is.

Categories of vehicles that are not exempt​

These types of vehicles are never exempt:

• mobile exhibition vehicles

 

[Brendan]

The unladen for exemption purposes is not as per factory spec.

Its as per actual in use weight spec.

The RTA is clear on this.

It might be for tax at point of sale reasons.

A vehicles dpv or cdv category would be classed from factory otherwise there would be alot of paperwork needed.

 

[Justme]

A vehicles dpv or cdv category would be classed from factory otherwise there would be alot of paperwork needed.

But again your using one rule to back up another.

Just because law one uses one definition does not mean law 2 uses the same method.

It is clear in the RTA how unladen is measured for O licence exemption.

It includes any added extras fitted / in use at the time.

Very few 4x4 are under the 2040kg to be a DP but i do have it on good auth (if you can ever trust what the dvsa / Vosa say) that they wont enforce the 2040kg limit as the law has not kept up with car designs.

 

[Smiffy]

But again your using one rule to back up another.

Just because law one uses one definition does not mean law 2 uses the same method.

It is clear in the RTA how unladen is measured for O licence exemption.

It includes any added extras fitted / in use at the time.

Very few 4x4 are under the 2040kg to be a DP but i do have it on good auth (if you can ever trust what the dvsa / Vosa say) that they wont enforce the 2040kg limit as the law has not kept up with car designs.

But ramps aren't part of the trailer they're additional equipment. I don't see how on earth you can see otherwise.
I have used ally ramps to load stuff into my pickup and tie them to the laser rack.
The weight of them would take my truck over the 2040kg limit am I supposed to re classify my truck for the sake of a ramp used 3 times a year??

 

[JD450A]

Bloody broken records

 

[Lancs Lad]

We talking in kilos....real.men talk in tonnes ..followed a valtra and beavertail tonight...with 21t kommie on board

 

[Brendan]

But again your using one rule to back up another.

Just because law one uses one definition does not mean law 2 uses the same method.

It is clear in the RTA how unladen is measured for O licence exemption.

It includes any added extras fitted / in use at the time.

Very few 4x4 are under the 2040kg to be a DP but i do have it on good auth (if you can ever trust what the dvsa / Vosa say) that they wont enforce the 2040kg limit as the law has not kept up with car designs.

Your also muddying the water by bringing o license unladen weight rules, vehicles class would be factory spec

There is quite a few new pickups that are still under 2040kg...
Navara
L200/fullback
Isuzu
Ranger xl double cab
To be fair by next year there will possibly be only the isuzu under 2040kg as nissan and mitsubishi won't be selling pickups in the uk. Plus alot of pre 2012 pickups are under 2040

 

[V8Druid]

To be fair by next year there will possibly be only the isuzu under 2040kg as nissan and mitsubishi won't be selling pickups in the uk. Plus alot of pre 2012 pickups are under 2040

why ??

 

[Brendan]

why ??

Not sure, either sales based or could be emissions or having to go hybrid

 

[Brendan]

Mercedes were the first to stop, then the Renault version and apparently Nissan is not releasing their new generation in Europe. Mitsubishi is apparently pulling out of the UK and Europe full stop, as in all cars and vans with after sales bought out by isuzu