One vehicle to fit all....

hiluxman

hiluxman

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Doesn’t sound like his knowledge is that vague, he’s obviously done his research.
I’ve saved a massive amount of money doing work on my own place myself (and I had very little first-hand experience of demolition/building/groundwork’s etc beforehand in reality).
OP - are there any farmers locally who might want brick hardcore for tracks etc? This can save a lot of money for tipping, and they won’t mind a bit of plaster/tiles etc in the mix.
Depending upon where you are you can potentially have a bonfire for your own material - it’s amazing how much timber is in a house!
We have also taken a lot of stuff to the local tip - it has needed a permit (free) as I’ve been using my trailer but they take pretty much everything if segregated correctly (even old upvc windows, asbestos and plasterboard, but you have to take a bit at a time!…).
Most places round here are a free tip for brick/concrete. Tiles can go in with it too. So long as its crushable then it's good.

A local yard here charges £18 per ton to tip off, then when there's a full load he whips it round the corner (literally under 1 mile away) and tips it for free...can't fault him 🤪
 
Simon edwards

Simon edwards

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Fair enough,was actually trying to be helpful,my point being he may be surprised at how reasonable an all in price from a smaller contractor might be when considering purchasing lorry and sourcing legal tipping etc.for a one-off job.You can’t take a 7,5 tonner to a local council tip( anymore😬).
 
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Smiffy

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Most places round here are a free tip for brick/concrete. Tiles can go in with it too. So long as its crushable then it's good.

A local yard here charges £18 per ton to tip off, then when there's a full load he whips it round the corner (literally under 1 mile away) and tips it for free...can't fault him 🤪

Every where is free tip around here for hardcore. Clean concrete taken away in a tipper is anything from free to £50 a load.
Hardcore taken away in a grab is £150 a load. Whilst the iveco would best best in the bunch a full grab load would still equate to 4 trips and a day pissing about. Your time plus diesel equates to way more than £150 quid.
I also always aim for load in load out to get some money knocked of the aggregate aswell.
 
hiluxman

hiluxman

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Every where is free tip around here for hardcore. Clean concrete taken away in a tipper is anything from free to £50 a load.
Hardcore taken away in a grab is £150 a load. Whilst the iveco would best best in the bunch a full grab load would still equate to 4 trips and a day pissing about. Your time plus diesel equates to way more than £150 quid.
I also always aim for load in load out to get some money knocked of the aggregate aswell.
If its a price job and its your income then you do it for maximum profit.

If your pottering about doing a self build with no rush then you look at it differently.
 
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Duke147

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Don’t want to come across too rude mate but if your knowledge of the industry is this vague you may be better off both financially and for the sake of your sanity considering using a professional contractor.
Yes I appreciate this may be the case, and you are correct, I am way short on knowledge of the industry, but I am a pretty capable person usually and currently have all the time in the world on my hands, so why not... I may well love to regret it and I am not beyond knowing that too, but if I start, I will manage it even if I do regret it.

The thing is, if I pay a pro, I will be sat on my backside and that is not quite me, whereas if I have a go, I may acquire some useful skills and equipment to perhaps create a small income.
And to be honest, we can't quite afford a full on contractor for the whole rebuild, there is so much I could manage with a decent tipper before, during and after the demolition stage that I can't help but consider it.

Your not the first person in this thread to say so, @Smiffy said a similar thing for a single job... however and I don't take it as rude, you guys are well versed in these things and I am taking this into consideration.
I will probably obtain a 2 or maybe 3 quotes with your comments in mind and then see how I feel.
 
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Duke147

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Every where is free tip around here for hardcore. Clean concrete taken away in a tipper is anything from free to £50 a load.
Hardcore taken away in a grab is £150 a load. Whilst the iveco would best best in the bunch a full grab load would still equate to 4 trips and a day pissing about. Your time plus diesel equates to way more than £150 quid.
I also always aim for load in load out to get some money knocked of the aggregate aswell.
When you say hardcore taken in a grab is £150 a load, you mean something like a 12t load/18t grab wagon, which I guess is circa 4 x tipper van loads?

I will reach out to the local sorting yards who have the grabs and wagons and crushers and see what they say before buying anything.You are likely correct.
 
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Smiffy

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When you say hardcore taken in a grab is £150 a load, you mean something like a 12t load/18t grab wagon, which I guess is circa 4 x tipper van loads?

I will reach out to the local sorting yards who have the grabs and wagons and crushers and see what they say before buying anything.You are likely correct.

That's for a 32t grab. Legally taking 15t but most round here tend to be quiet generous with what they take.
 
pettsy

pettsy

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I’m part way through my second full house refurb project. The best thing I bought for the first one was a transit tipper. Got rid of all hardcore FOC, and clay/soil for next to nothing. Was then able to get materials in at my own pace rather than full loads/pallets full. Sold at end for almost what I paid for it. The second time I’ve bought a IW tipper instead. Access is better with this house so despite having access to free/cheap tips, for full loads you just can’t beat the convenience to get it all gone in one go.

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Brendan

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For your own house it's not worth the effort or cost of buying and maintaing a 7.5t wagon.
8 wheel grab holds around 16t so just over 4 loads of a 7.5t.
Round my way inert is around £260 plus vat a load and clean hardcore can be £180 plus vat. Alot of places will let you tip clean hardcore for free but if it costs you £20 in diesel and one hour plus round trip those four loads still cost you £80 in diesel and half a day just in driving, for the inert even if it costs you £10/t to tip that's £160 in tipping plus the £80 and 4 hours to save £20.
For building waste it's cheaper to get a skip as tipping fees here for general waste per tonne are not far off an 8 yard skip. Roro skips are very expensive so best to avoid.

You'll have to speak to wherever is racing or collecting the waste in regards to plaster and paper on walls but most are generally fine.

Any paid work for hire and reward is tacho regardless of mileage so any tipping or deliveries for anyone else needs it.

You will most probably also need waste carriers license even though it's your own property it's a bit of a grey area in regards to the license but transfer sites will ask for it
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
For your own house it's not worth the effort or cost of buying and maintaing a 7.5t wagon.
8 wheel grab holds around 16t so just over 4 loads of a 7.5t.
Round my way inert is around £260 plus vat a load and clean hardcore can be £180 plus vat. Alot of places will let you tip clean hardcore for free but if it costs you £20 in diesel and one hour plus round trip those four loads still cost you £80 in diesel and half a day just in driving, for the inert even if it costs you £10/t to tip that's £160 in tipping plus the £80 and 4 hours to save £20.
For building waste it's cheaper to get a skip as tipping fees here for general waste per tonne are not far off an 8 yard skip. Roro skips are very expensive so best to avoid.

You'll have to speak to wherever is racing or collecting the waste in regards to plaster and paper on walls but most are generally fine.

Any paid work for hire and reward is tacho regardless of mileage so any tipping or deliveries for anyone else needs it.

You will most probably also need waste carriers license even though it's your own property it's a bit of a grey area in regards to the license but transfer sites will ask for it
be lucky to get much over 3t on yer average 7.5t tipper
 
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Duke147

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For your own house it's not worth the effort or cost of buying and maintaing a 7.5t wagon.
8 wheel grab holds around 16t so just over 4 loads of a 7.5t.
Round my way inert is around £260 plus vat a load and clean hardcore can be £180 plus vat. Alot of places will let you tip clean hardcore for free but if it costs you £20 in diesel and one hour plus round trip those four loads still cost you £80 in diesel and half a day just in driving, for the inert even if it costs you £10/t to tip that's £160 in tipping plus the £80 and 4 hours to save £20.
For building waste it's cheaper to get a skip as tipping fees here for general waste per tonne are not far off an 8 yard skip. Roro skips are very expensive so best to avoid.

You'll have to speak to wherever is racing or collecting the waste in regards to plaster and paper on walls but most are generally fine.

Any paid work for hire and reward is tacho regardless of mileage so any tipping or deliveries for anyone else needs it.

You will most probably also need waste carriers license even though it's your own property it's a bit of a grey area in regards to the license but transfer sites will ask for it
That is all very informative and useful thanks Brendan. You make some very valid points as for numbers not actually stacking up for my own job. At the moment, I work just 2 days a week unrelated to driving or machinery and so much of my time is going to be free and even so, you still make it stack against the idea of buying.

I called 1 yard, Grab load inert = £300+vat (not sure on tonnage, 12-16t?)
7.2t tipper load inert I drop 3.5t = They wanted to look at it when I brought it in.

But I cannot help thinking that if I intend to undertake the demolition myself, I become the more than just the waste carrier and will have some equipment to boot. It will be a valuable insight into the world of demolition, and I may open up some potential to be contracted by others at that point.

As was suggested earlier, "read up on your O-licence" and I did, I think that I can operate a Restricted O-licence for my own work and my own waste, materials and tools.
I will definately also need the waste carriers licence too, as well as a vehicle maintenance contrat with a HGV garage. But I do not think that a tacho will be necessary, well not quite yet.

My limited tacho understanding is that for transporting "my own waste" and with driving being less than 30% of my rolling monthly working hours, then I would be exempt until I surpass 30% of my working hours. Which considering I would still not yet have any paid work with the vehicle, I could do a soft start and as I do two days a week non-related, surpassing 30% might never happen depending how work pans out.

But as soon as I touch other peoples goods or waste, or I travel too far, or drive too much, or I delivery just one item, then a tacho is required. Is my understanding correct?
 
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Brendan

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That is all very informative and useful thanks Brendan. You make some very valid points as for numbers not actually stacking up for my own job. At the moment, I work just 2 days a week unrelated to driving or machinery and so much of my time is going to be free and even so, you still make it stack against the idea of buying.

I called 1 yard, Grab load inert = £300+vat (not sure on tonnage, 12-16t?)
7.2t tipper load inert I drop 3.5t = They wanted to look at it when I brought it in.

But I cannot help thinking that if I intend to undertake the demolition myself, I become the more than just the waste carrier and will have some equipment to boot. It will be a valuable insight into the world of demolition, and I may open up some potential to be contracted by others at that point.

As was suggested earlier, "read up on your O-licence" and I did, I think that I can operate a Restricted O-licence for my own work and my own waste, materials and tools.
I will definately also need the waste carriers licence too, as well as a vehicle maintenance contrat with a HGV garage. But I do not think that a tacho will be necessary, well not quite yet.

My limited tacho understanding is that for transporting "my own waste" and with driving being less than 30% of my rolling monthly working hours, then I would be exempt until I surpass 30% of my working hours. Which considering I would still not yet have any paid work with the vehicle, I could do a soft start and as I do two days a week non-related, surpassing 30% might never happen depending how work pans out.

But as soon as I touch other peoples goods or waste, or I travel too far, or drive too much, or I delivery just one item, then a tacho is required. Is my understanding correct?
You'll probably want to look into demolition insurance before committing to do it for others. On every policy I have had it's only incidental demolition work and if solely doing the demolition work not covered and specialist insurance
 
doobin

doobin

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You'll probably want to look into demolition insurance before committing to do it for others. On every policy I have had it's only incidental demolition work and if solely doing the demolition work not covered and specialist insurance
Same here.
 
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6feetdown

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You'll probably want to look into demolition insurance before committing to do it for others. On every policy I have had it's only incidental demolition work and if solely doing the demolition work not covered and specialist insurance
Same
 
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