One vehicle to fit all....

[Duke147]

Short version, is there a better option between a 7.5t tipper or a Hook Trailer? It needs to move a mini digger at least at purchase/sale.

I'd like a truck to remove demolition waste from my bungalow as a one man band with no helper.

Trailer: Prefer not to have one

I have my driving licence from 1992 so have C1E with code 107 restriction, am allowed to drive 7.5t vehicle and I believe a max 8.25t GTW.

Is the hook loader is best for versatility of moving a digger, filling with waste, future collecting materials?

I feel a hook trailer certainly allows for more options ie leaving the bed to be filled and still using the truck, for situations of if I did ever use a helper or was asked to remove waste for others.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[V8Druid]

put the kettle on and pull up a chair

 

[JD450A]

Done to death, go pay someone who owns a decent sized lorry or does skips.

If you are thinking your going to go off and do it for others you best go read up on operators licensing.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

If you want independence and maximum adaptability get a 12 foot Ifor williams tipper trailer and something that can legally tow 3.5 tonnes (an Iveco Daily tipper is a good option if you don’t need 4wd).
You’ll carry pretty much the same weight as a modern 7.5 tonner (probably more than a hook lift tbh), and they will happily carry a 2.7 tonne digger (but might be a touch overweight from a legal perspective).

 

[doobin]

In your situation a hook loader sounds ideal. I wouldn't buy a specific vehicle type just to move a digger the once when you buy it though- that's why transport companies exist! Buy the best vehicle for the job you have.

 

[doobin]

If you want independence and maximum adaptability get a 12 foot Ifor williams tipper trailer and something that can legally tow 3.5 tonnes (an Iveco Daily tipper is a good option if you don’t need 4wd).
You’ll carry pretty much the same weight as a modern 7.5 tonner (probably more than a hook lift tbh), and they will happily carry a 2.7 tonne digger (but might be a touch overweight from a legal perspective).

I'm presuming he doesn't want the hassle of reversing a trailer into his driveway every time, and to be fair I don't blame him.

 

[Smiffy]

Unless you are going to buy multiple bins then a hook loader is a bit overkill. A set of ramps will load a digger on a 7.5t tipper and when it's done it will carry nearly 1t more. 7.5t hook loaders have very poor carrying capacity. 7.5t lorries in general have pretty poor carrying capacity.
A 7.2t iveco daily tipper will carry 1t more than a full blown lorry. Would also be lower to load and unload stuff.
But in general over a single project having materials delivered and a grab lorry for muck away is going to work out cheaper. Especially when you take into account your own time doing transport related roles. How close is the place you want to take muck away and collect materials from? Half an hour each way very soon becomes half a day wasted.

 

[V8Druid]

I'm presuming he doesn't want the hassle of reversing a trailer into his driveway every time, and to be fair I don't blame him.

" practise makes perfect " ...... assuming the skillset is in place to start with

 

[doobin]

" practise makes perfect " ...... assuming the skillset is in place to start with

I can reverse with the best of them, but can you imagine trying to reverse an Iveco and trailer uphill around a tight corner ten times a day when you have the license and conditions in place for personal useage of a 6 ton Iveco tipper?

It just doesn't make sense. I opt to run multiple trips with a 3.5t tipper working locally as it works out a lot quicker than trying to use the tipper trailer.

 

[V8Druid]

I can reverse with the best of them, but can you imagine trying to reverse an Iveco and trailer uphill around a tight corner ten times a day when you have the license and conditions in place for personal useage of a 6 ton Iveco tipper?

It just doesn't make sense. I opt to run multiple trips with a 3.5t tipper working locally as it works out a lot quicker than trying to use the tipper trailer.

absolutely ... the hassle is worth the 7.5t all day long ... no brainer TBH -- when I started I ran a SWB Ser. iii and trailer and couldn't get a 7.5 fast enough - comfort and no worries about stopping, looking right, etc. with plenty of guts, loaded

 

[Furniss]

Unless you are going to buy multiple bins then a hook loader is a bit overkill. A set of ramps will load a digger on a 7.5t tipper and when it's done it will carry nearly 1t more. 7.5t hook loaders have very poor carrying capacity. 7.5t lorries in general have pretty poor carrying capacity.
A 7.2t iveco daily tipper will carry 1t more than a full blown lorry. Would also be lower to load and unload stuff.
But in general over a single project having materials delivered and a grab lorry for muck away is going to work out cheaper. Especially when you take into account your own time doing transport related roles. How close is the place you want to take muck away and collect materials from? Half an hour each way very soon becomes half a day

If i had to choose between 7.5t hook or tipper id go hook - mine looked happy enough with 5t in tbh and much safer than pickup and trailer with 3.5t in it - but 5t was somewhat overloaded
hate pissing about with trailers after years of them but will prob go back to trailer in semi retirement as its handy to have a motor to run about in when your not needing to tow.

 

[6feetdown]

What's the capacity of the 7.5t Izuzu or Fuso think they are quite high?

 

[Smiffy]

What's the capacity of the 7.5t Izuzu or Fuso think they are quite high?

They are only a couple hundred kilos lighter than a daf or iveco. From memory they can collect about 3.2t from the tarmac plant. As opposed to a daf lf 45 picking up as little as 2.7t depending on the body.

 

[hiluxman]

What's the capacity of the 7.5t Izuzu or Fuso think they are quite high?

Ali tipper you'll get around 3.7t on them.

 

[Smiffy]

Ali tipper you'll get around 3.7t on them.

They end up being so lightly built that they are only capable of holding aggregate without getting destroyed though.

 

[Duke147]

Thanks all for the input, I have read all responses and appreciate your time

you are going to buy multiple bins then a hook loader is a bit overkill. A set of ramps will load a digger on a 7.5t tipper and when it's done it will carry nearly 1t more. 7.5t hook loaders have very poor carrying capacity. 7.5t lorries in general have pretty poor carrying capacity.
A 7.2t iveco daily tipper will carry 1t more than a full blown lorry. Would also be lower to load and unload stuff.
But in general over a single project having materials delivered and a grab lorry for muck away is going to work out cheaper. Especially when you take into account your own time doing transport related roles. How close is the place you want to take muck away and collect materials from? Half an hour each way very soon becomes half a day wasted.

Well since my initial post, I think that I agree on the 72-180 Iveco Daily might just be perfect, I didn't know ramps would be a safe loading strategy though, so that help.
Have you any idea on the perfect length for an iveco daily, I wouldn't want these sliding off half way up, I presume they attach securely?

I believe I can get away without a taco for my own demo and if I happen to get any paid work is less than 100km away. But I would need an O-licence even for moving my own stuff as it is a vehicle over 3.5t, is there any point in a standard O-licence in my small DIY use with perhaps a little work on the side? or might I as well just get a restricted version?
Mainternance/safety inspections every 6-13 weeks seems overkill for my intended use as I will not be going 5 days a week ever.

 

[Duke147]

This may be a little off topic for the planttalk forum, but I presume you guys know more about demo than most people, when I demolish, I understand the seperation of waste to a degree, but to qualify for inert waste is where I will make the largest savings on the bricks and concrete, so does that mean I will need to remove tiles from tiles surfaces? Or wall paper and plaster (not plaster board, I know that much), but removing all 1970's era plaster, is that necessary to keep the rubble inert?

 

[Smiffy]

Most ramp manufacturer websites will have a length calculator on them that will give a length dependent on bed height. It will be somewhere around 3m. Make sure you drill the top of them and a hole in the bed so you can drop a bold through when in use as they can walk of the end of the bed otherwise as you use them. Not fun if you are halfway up.
As for separation. The degree of leniency will depend on where you are taking it.
Plenty of places still that don't even monitor the tip site, let alone what's in your load.

 

[Simon edwards]

This may be a little off topic for the planttalk forum, but I presume you guys know more about demo than most people, when I demolish, I understand the seperation of waste to a degree, but to qualify for inert waste is where I will make the largest savings on the bricks and concrete, so does that mean I will need to remove tiles from tiles surfaces? Or wall paper and plaster (not plaster board, I know that much), but removing all 1970's era plaster, is that necessary to keep the rubble inert?

Don’t want to come across too rude mate but if your knowledge of the industry is this vague you may be better off both financially and for the sake of your sanity considering using a professional contractor.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Don’t want to come across too rude mate but if your knowledge of the industry is this vague you may be better off both financially and for the sake of your sanity considering using a professional contractor.

Doesn’t sound like his knowledge is that vague, he’s obviously done his research.
I’ve saved a massive amount of money doing work on my own place myself (and I had very little first-hand experience of demolition/building/groundwork’s etc beforehand in reality).
OP - are there any farmers locally who might want brick hardcore for tracks etc? This can save a lot of money for tipping, and they won’t mind a bit of plaster/tiles etc in the mix.
Depending upon where you are you can potentially have a bonfire for your own material - it’s amazing how much timber is in a house!
We have also taken a lot of stuff to the local tip - it has needed a permit (free) as I’ve been using my trailer but they take pretty much everything if segregated correctly (even old upvc windows, asbestos and plasterboard, but you have to take a bit at a time!…).