General election

TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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The Tories actually went backward in the elections so no improvement there. I thought very long & hard before defecting to Reform in the 2024 General election (my then sitting Tory MP had already defected) It does seem a pivotal moment a bit like the 1920's when Labour largely took over from the Liberals as main opposition. I once thought that Reform would be a junior partner in coalition with the Tories, I now think the reverse is more likely. That said I think the Tories will continue as a separate but smaller force (as the Liberals did). It now seems if you want a small state, pro business party in power it will be Reform (despite their at times lack of experience & professionalism). It is only economic success that allows the NHS, social spending etc. I doubt Reform could afford electorally to disband the NHS even if they wished to. Essential treatment should always be free at the point of need - but in France individual hospitals are sub contractors to government, some are run by charities. This means there is not one employer, preventing national bargaining & strikes (here junior doctors seem the new car workers / miners)

As to Labour leadership, there is no guarantee if Burnham stood in a created vacancy he would win, nor indeed his mayoral successor candidate would. Otherwise there are Far Left Angie, Milliband or Wes Streeting. The first two would make a worse mess than now, not sure of the third. Only way Labour could save themselves is to come out of EHCR & crack down on mass illegal immigration as these low skill / unemployable migrants are far more a threat to the native poor than to those further up the scale. The party has deserted the descendants of the people that it was supposed to help. Their 'liberal principles' would never allow this - they just leave the gates open & dump the result on places such as Telford, Stoke, Rotherham, Hull etc. I wonder if these with migrants welcome placards would be so keen if this wave was relocated to Marlowe, Hampstead, Poole, Henley
I am not a labour supporter but would consider myself to be a very good political observer. I don’t see any way back for labour. Reeves has made a mess of it. Red Ange would make it far worse. Her speech this morning was a cry to arms for the unions. I understand what her ideals are, just don’t agree that you magic them to happen by just increasing minimum wage and work employment rights reform. You need to be pro business for there to be employment. Can Wes make a go of it…..I do t see it. Unfortunately Kier is the best the Labour Party Belas to offer. His speech this morning was depressing. He acknowledges his responsibility in the election results, but his absolute lack of any political nous is outstanding. Even his “we will nationalize British Steel” statement was followed by lawyer speak of “subject to the national interest test”. You should have all ready decided if it is in the national interest before announcing it!! Sorry Kier, in office, but not in power!!
 
T

topkit

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It's gonna be a fun day tomorrow- Watch this space!! Funny how one of the only people standing by him is Lord Hermer his mate and the very man that wants to convict the service men and ex service personnel that faught for their country, The same man behind the Chagos island fiasco. Bowing down to the Chineese etc These two men hate our country and what it stands for. He has to go !!
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I am not a labour supporter but would consider myself to be a very good political observer. I don’t see any way back for labour. Reeves has made a mess of it. Red Ange would make it far worse. Her speech this morning was a cry to arms for the unions. I understand what her ideals are, just don’t agree that you magic them to happen by just increasing minimum wage and work employment rights reform. You need to be pro business for there to be employment. Can Wes make a go of it…..I do t see it. Unfortunately Kier is the best the Labour Party Belas to offer. His speech this morning was depressing. He acknowledges his responsibility in the election results, but his absolute lack of any political nous is outstanding. Even his “we will nationalize British Steel” statement was followed by lawyer speak of “subject to the national interest test”. You should have all ready decided if it is in the national interest before announcing it!! Sorry Kier, in office, but not in power!!
there's **** all left to nationalise ... they (kier and his predecessors)'ve seen to that :mad: :mad: :mad:
Utter w⚓s, every last one of them :mad:
 
Silversabre

Silversabre

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Will be interesting today, I think the party seems to favouring Wes or Andy, but lot of hurdles for Andy to get through first.

After watching Angela's speech I get the impression she was trying to throw her weight behind Andy and the unions.

I suspect she could be after burnhams role, god help us.

Could be a long drawn out affair and get worse for them if, Andy doesn't get elected and nor does his replacement.

I would hope the party would be punished by the electorate if this is the route he goes as its ultimately costing the tax payers for calling an election early.

Be interesting to see if Angela's settled with HMRC or not, maybe sue someone else gor the money
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Nah, he's cooked... Every second he stays is a second the markets weep
Exactly screwing us even longer.

Like someone said it's like a slow motion plane crash....flight attendant are quietly shuffling for the exits whilst telling the passengers there's no problem.

He's even cocking up his own demise 😂
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Exactly screwing us even longer.

Like someone said it's like a slow motion plane crash....flight attendant are quietly shuffling for the exits whilst telling the passengers there's no problem.

He's even cocking up his own demise 😂
What's the alternative in labour though? I think even the majority of Labour realise he's probably the best they've got hence slowmo to challenge his position. Grim. Mind you I'm at the stage where I don't really care anymore who's in. I think it'll be a s**t show regardless.
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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What's the alternative in labour though? I think even the majority of Labour realise he's probably the best they've got hence slowmo to challenge his position. Grim. Mind you I'm at the stage where I don't really care anymore who's in. I think it'll be a s**t show regardless.
Exactly😬😬 it's an utter xlusterfk
 
Vinpetrol

Vinpetrol

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What's the alternative in labour though? I think even the majority of Labour realise he's probably the best they've got hence slowmo to challenge his position. Grim. Mind you I'm at the stage where I don't really care anymore who's in. I think it'll be a s**t show regardless.
All the more reason to stand down . It’s not good enough to say he’s the best they have so we have to put up with him . He’s useless . If the party doesn’t have other options ( and they feckin should have because it’s been no secret that he’s on the ropes) then the opposition should be pressing for a general election .
 
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