General election

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Old Operator

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The wife likes Lowe but I see difficulties in splintering the Right. Think of religion, C of E broke from Rome, Methodists split from C of E, Primitive Methodists split off as originals not spartan enough. Not to mention Baptists, Zionists, Unitarians etc. My point here is that Reform has 8 MPs & a big following. Tory 116 but seemingly in terminal? decline. The danger with factions of factions is that they cancel one another out in a particular seat & create confusion. At the very least what is needed is an agreement seat by seat not to splinter the vote among parties that largely want the same thing, thus shooting themselves in the foot & getting the exact opposite of what they all wish.
The Tories (if they are to be believed) now back withdrawal from the EHCR. This is a prerequisite key to solving the uncontrolled immigration problem, making us masters in our own house, as are non Nazi countries of Oz, Nz, USA, Canada etc in theirs. I at one time saw Reform as junior partner to the re invigorated Tories, but now think it may be the other way round. Boris promised much but was more interested in acting on the world stage as Churchill than actually attacking real domestic problems. Under him net migration reached nearly one million!

The Labour party is now largely a middle class group of liberal dreamers. I still think of it as getting support from men teeming out of a foundry on bikes at 5pm. But it has been totally hijacked by students, the multi generational benefits caste, single mothers etc. As to its actual signed up membership, I have done work for some of these & can tell you they want East Germany not Callaghan / Healey. To them the guy laying slabs under their window is invisible like the butler in olden times.

Though Labour, Greens, Liberals, Plaid, SNP, Socialist Worker, (all open borders parties)claim to hate one another their voters are very capable of backing the most likely 'progressive' winner in any given seat thus stalling any true reform. We on this side of the fence must at least do the same, pick a winner & get behind it. Alternative is an extra five years like the past 20 months! (a third of the sentence is now gone with disastrous results) Mr Rees Mogg is at least trying to get the Right to come to some mutual accommodation. I gather many Tories have doubts about Farage but feel they could work with his deputy Richard Tice, the latter does seem an intelligent man & a good speaker
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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Going to be interesting to see what happens in the by election tomorrow. I don’t trust any of the polls but whoever wins, it will be those that said “undecided” that get the winners over the line.
Please god…..not the greens!!! 🙏
 
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Jimoz

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@Old Operator agree echr needs scrapping but its not enough. Oz and Canada might have secure borders but are letting loads in through the front door. We need to extend the time for people to get ILR or whatever it is. I filled in the consultation the other week. If the time gets extended to 10 years we may get a decent govt in before the 2 million Boris wave becomes official. Then can properly get sorted.

I have family who vote Labour i think they still assume they are for the working man like the old pit days. It's laughable they screw the average joe nowadays need to be on welfare to benefit.
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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it appears Keirs suspended him but htf was he ever allowed to be a councillor??/
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Going to be interesting to see what happens in the by election tomorrow. I don’t trust any of the polls but whoever wins, it will be those that said “undecided” that get the winners over the line.
Please god…..not the greens!!! 🙏
Heaven help us.😲 Lettuce brigade got in.

Wonder why they voted for open borders? 🤔
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Old Operator

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As to the greens they promote re wilding of land & preservation of nature. At the same time they promote open borders thus needing more food growing land & more land under concrete for housing, jobs etc. These two positions are diametrically opposed, you would need to be for one or the other.
I read Gorton is a new seat & a split up of two old constituencies & the kind of place where whoever offers the biggest potential free lunch will win. Also Gaza & the Abdul factor was big in play - even though the UK had no jurisdiction in that overseas territory post 1947! I gather the Greens winning is potentially a bigger problem to Starmer than if Reform had won. I read that Angie 'Mildred' Rayner may on the surface do well out of this but is in reality taking over as new captain of the Titanic just before it hits the iceberg.
My worries about splitting the 'Right wing' vote do not apply here as Tories only polled 1.8%! But the Libs got only about 1.7% meaning that 'progressive' tactical voting happened (though Labour still got 25% probably people who had always voted Lab) A student population is also a factor. Many here will vote for more state spending as long as the bill does not come to them 'More taxes will cure everything - & the Band played on' as the Temptations sung. I do not see anything progressive about the UK becoming a banana republic without the climate to grow them! Exit Polls got it wrong predicting Lab 27% Reform & green about the same - a 3 way split
 
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Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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As to the greens they promote re wilding of land & preservation of nature. At the same time they promote open borders thus needing more food growing land & more land under concrete for housing, jobs etc. These two positions are diametrically opposed, you would need to be for one or the other.
I read Gorton is a new seat & a split up of two old constituencies & the kind of place where whoever offers the biggest potential free lunch will win. Also Gaza & the Abdul factor was big in play - even though the UK had no jurisdiction in that overseas territory post 1947! I gather the Greens winning is potentially a bigger problem to Starmer than if Reform had won. I read that Angie 'Mildred' Rayner may on the surface do well out of this but is in reality taking over as new captain of the Titanic just before it hits the iceberg.
My worries about splitting the 'Right wing' vote do not apply here as Tories only polled 1.8%! But the Libs got only about 1.7% meaning that 'progressive' tactical voting happened (though Labour still got 25% probably people who had always voted Lab) A student population is also a factor. Many here will vote for more state spending as long as the bill does not come to them 'More taxes will cure everything - & the Band played on' as the Temptations sung. I do not see anything progressive about the UK becoming a banana republic without the climate to grow them! Exit Polls got it wrong predicting Lab 27% Reform & green about the same - a 3 way split
There's talk of family voting going on...farage called it for what it is but everyone else is very vague. Those of us in this area can guess what happened ...
 
Vinpetrol

Vinpetrol

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I don’t think that election was much to worry about . The Labour vote was protesting about Andy Burnham not being on the ballot . So they voted for nearest left candidate . Also a big muslim vote in the area that wouldn’t vote reform would have likely voted the same way .
This vote may be the wooden horse that starts the removal of Starmer . He didn’t want Burnham on the ballot because he knew if he was available for Labour leader he would have got the job when the Labour Party were discussing his future after the Mandleson Epstein affair .
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
I'll be honest I'm glad the lass got in, all power to her and I'm sure she will be a great MP that actually stands for her constituency..... Which is what MPs of all flavours should be doing.

It does show the reality though..... It's your MP.... They are supposed to serve and put there constituents issues to parliament.... The country is meant to be run by them, not dictate to them.

I don't think the greens are a viable national option.... I do think that they are a excellent local choice when the candidate is well rounded and seeks the greater good for all rather than for there own opinions. Unfortunately we will now see a targeted campaign of hatred towards the unskilled plumber.... From all sides.... Mark my words.

Nationally the greens are significantly too left.... However they are no different to any other party chasing there own ends and desires far ahead of that of the people..... Doing what we think is best for you.

I am sad reform didn't win.... Because in all honesty coming second makes them stronger than coming first.... The MP cannot act like a Buffon, we cannot point at the situation and say "imagine that running the country". Instead they are reinforced in there argument that they will likely be the opposition..... I don't disagree with all of reform but I do not trust to luck that the darker elements can be kept at bay. Present day UKIP choose there new logo from the Germanic 1930's clipart collection. And I do not want that.... Not at all.

The results are telling.... Labour are going green, Tory will be reform..... It will be interesting.

It's still a mess. But I'm glad a plumber who's having a go won.
 
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Smiffy

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Looking at her policies and campaign it all seems quite good TBF. Almost what labour should be. And I think I would have been inclined to vote for her, as an MP alone. Alot of greens traditional policies seem to have fallen to the wayside. But as with all politicians I would not trust them in the slightest. And would deeply believe that the second they where in power they would drop all their campaign goals and revert to all their traditional goals.
Seeing as all the Tory MP's have jumped ship to reform. The hopeful influx of new conservatives might give us an alternative that we never realised.
But regardless who gets in. I think it's past the point of no return. Without bringing industry and manufacturing back. It is the beginning of the end. The fall of Rome. I think the world order will be very very different by the time I retire.
 
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Stroppymonkey

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I'll be honest I'm glad the lass got in, all power to her and I'm sure she will be a great MP that actually stands for her constituency..... Which is what MPs of all flavours should be doing.

It does show the reality though..... It's your MP.... They are supposed to serve and put there constituents issues to parliament.... The country is meant to be run by them, not dictate to them.

I don't think the greens are a viable national option.... I do think that they are a excellent local choice when the candidate is well rounded and seeks the greater good for all rather than for there own opinions. Unfortunately we will now see a targeted campaign of hatred towards the unskilled plumber.... From all sides.... Mark my words.

Nationally the greens are significantly too left.... However they are no different to any other party chasing there own ends and desires far ahead of that of the people..... Doing what we think is best for you.

I am sad reform didn't win.... Because in all honesty coming second makes them stronger than coming first.... The MP cannot act like a Buffon, we cannot point at the situation and say "imagine that running the country". Instead they are reinforced in there argument that they will likely be the opposition..... I don't disagree with all of reform but I do not trust to luck that the darker elements can be kept at bay. Present day UKIP choose there new logo from the Germanic 1930's clipart collection. And I do not want that.... Not at all.

The results are telling.... Labour are going green, Tory will be reform..... It will be interesting.

It's still a mess. But I'm glad a plumber who's having a go won.
Well written .
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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Well written .
Out friend @JD450A always speaks wise words for such a young man.
My concern over the Greens winning was misplaced. I think this will be quite a shock in over constituencies that it will focus people to get out and vote. We are heading into uncharted territory with tactical voting. I would not be surprised if we see plans for proportional representation back on the agenda. It will be the only way that labour will stand any chance of holding onto power of any sort.
Well done Hannah…..put please get your dress sense sorted out…..it is bad enough with Angela Rayner looking like a clown. Try and look the part of someone who has been elected into the great debating chamber that the House of Commons is supposed to be!!
 
doobin

doobin

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I'll be honest I'm glad the lass got in, all power to her and I'm sure she will be a great MP that actually stands for her constituency..... Which is what MPs of all flavours should be doing ... It's still a mess. But I'm glad a plumber who's having a go won.
No. She's a champagne socialist and a f****ng hypocrite.

As usual, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
The figure I've heard touted is 1.2m property portfolio including a 750k "second home".

I'll be honest, I do not see that as excessive and it's certainly no worse than any of the other clowns... In all honesty most of us here will have similar amounts of stored or invested finance. The only reason anyone will be grumpy about her holdings will be that her politics don't align with yours.
 
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Russell

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I'll be honest I'm glad the lass got in, all power to her and I'm sure she will be a great MP that actually stands for her constituency..... Which is what MPs of all flavours should be doing.

It does show the reality though..... It's your MP.... They are supposed to serve and put there constituents issues to parliament.... The country is meant to be run by them, not dictate to them.

I don't think the greens are a viable national option.... I do think that they are a excellent local choice when the candidate is well rounded and seeks the greater good for all rather than for there own opinions. Unfortunately we will now see a targeted campaign of hatred towards the unskilled plumber.... From all sides.... Mark my words.

Nationally the greens are significantly too left.... However they are no different to any other party chasing there own ends and desires far ahead of that of the people..... Doing what we think is best for you.

I am sad reform didn't win.... Because in all honesty coming second makes them stronger than coming first.... The MP cannot act like a Buffon, we cannot point at the situation and say "imagine that running the country". Instead they are reinforced in there argument that they will likely be the opposition..... I don't disagree with all of reform but I do not trust to luck that the darker elements can be kept at bay. Present day UKIP choose there new logo from the Germanic 1930's clipart collection. And I do not want that.... Not at all.

The results are telling.... Labour are going green, Tory will be reform..... It will be interesting.

It's still a mess. But I'm glad a plumber who's having a go won.
I think it gives some hope that we may not be ruled over by the nazi party in a few years with the SS/ICE galavanting about killing random people.
 
doobin

doobin

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The figure I've heard touted is 1.2m property portfolio including a 750k "second home".

I'll be honest, I do not see that as excessive and it's certainly no worse than any of the other clowns... In all honesty most of us here will have similar amounts of stored or invested finance. The only reason anyone will be grumpy about her holdings will be that her politics don't align with yours.
It’s utter hypocrisy. She’s a trust fund kiddy who’s been spoon fed her whole life, role playing at being working class (and instagramming it too).

She’s not a fresh face in politics- her whole family are into it- https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20260222/281822880267748

I do not agree with Corbyn’s policies, but I utterly respect his principled stance.
 
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