Quattromike
Well member-known
I'm not seeing a majority coming in either direction, be prepared for a period of faff coming
heritage machining
Well-known member
I'm still torn although I have to say if reform were on the ballot paper I would probably vote for them all I really want is my planning but since i live in bucks it's not easy even though my yard is brownfield (it's an ex sewage works so I'm not sure how much more brownfield you can get)
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DaveDCB
Well-known member
I thought reform were putting a candidate out in as many places as possible? Knowing they won’t win, but to strip any conservative majority away, thus Labour getting in for 4 years, subsequently ruining everything and then next time reform will wipe the table!
Vinpetrol
Well-known member
I can’t see we have a meaningful vote up here Mike whatever we want so I agree , faff on the way
Nick...
Well-known member
I've not voted in last 3 elections as nothing really changes.it won't when starmer gets the keys to no10.far too many people in this country.god knows how many boat people crossing the channel and coming in uncounted.we are paying millions for all these people and they are getting what a lot of English people are not.nhs still seems poor but I've had outstanding treatment when I stuck my head through a plate glass door couple years back.towns and cities are getting run down,roads are dreadful and could go on and on.we are getting taxed to the hilt to pay for all manner of things and I can't see anything changing.in recent local elections I had a conservative candidate call on me asking for vote and she said she knew I had a postal vote and had not voted for several years.so much for it being confidential.I realise I should not complain if I don't vote but really don't thing anything will change.people soon forget the tories paid millions to self employed during covid and the fraud there was astronomical.I work with several who took thousands whilst still working.also we got help with electricity bills but people have short memories.
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kabin man
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Lancs Lad
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Old Operator
Well-known member
I have doubts about the sudden National Service announcement, my thoughts, no consultation with business / industry - we are already in a tight labour market so taking a whole year out of the pool does not help in a time of 'full' employment. How can it be paid for in today's financial climate? Also it may kick off another refusenick youth cult such as punk or hippiedom. The last thing the forces need is more 'Corporal Klingers' - Just look at some of those Vietnam films full of stoned idle troublemakers.
I also think reforms need to be far & wide, Private landlordisim is a kind of dole for the middle classes. One young guy who did a bit for me said he did not care if he was working or not. If he signed on (or was sick) the state paid his rent, if he worked he paid to the landlord but got nothing out of it. In other words he had no incentive to work & was a trapped 'serf' Mass immigration has not helped, it jacks up rents - ultimately there may be some kind of revolution or civil war. The Jews being the landlord class in 1920's Germany when all else went pear shaped led to them being singled out.
I also think reforms need to be far & wide, Private landlordisim is a kind of dole for the middle classes. One young guy who did a bit for me said he did not care if he was working or not. If he signed on (or was sick) the state paid his rent, if he worked he paid to the landlord but got nothing out of it. In other words he had no incentive to work & was a trapped 'serf' Mass immigration has not helped, it jacks up rents - ultimately there may be some kind of revolution or civil war. The Jews being the landlord class in 1920's Germany when all else went pear shaped led to them being singled out.
TiltyShaun
Well-known member
How about no new plans to change any taxes, just a simple pledge to reform the institutions that the state funds. Sort out the pile of poo with the money we are all ready paying before you even start on asking for any more!!
kabin man
Well-known member
Giles
Well-known member
Only bit of reality in this thread
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Keif
Well-known member
Not knowing who they are, Im guessing they just won blue ribbons at the farm show. Lol.
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DaveDCB
Well-known member
Best billy goat in show?
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powercom
Active member
I would agree with that conservatives had a bad deal with problem they did not make , covid , Ukraine war etc and I'm not sure Labour would have done any better , What I cant stand is all the effort and time that goes into the in fighting within the party, that goes on i guess in any political party 1/2 the parts wants something half does not , this Rawanda thing is a classic example any government will have enough problems enacting what they want to do with the courts , then appeals European laws and so on without they in fighting from themselves.This is trouble...change for changes sake is daft imo..
I dont see a credible alternative...all labours hot air today is laughable
All the handouts,loans and furlough etc are rapidly forgotten now and all anyone can think about is a media hyped supposed party at no10.
How quickly folk forget about labours call for longer stricter lockdowns and id cards etc etc.
Anyone who believes that the biggest challenges of COVID and illegal migration and wars were purely a fault of the current government are smoking something and half of me kinda wishes for a year or two of Keir and co just to prove a point.
But I guess once again we'll have the same old but different coloured crowd probably increased borrowings to pay for an increased pandering to the eco loonies. Tax increases no doubt for any of us that dare to try and earn a crust.
Emigration forms anyone?
I really cant be bothered with them all they are worse then Kids
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Smiffy
Well-known member
As well as the infighting I really dislike the way they try and shoot eachother down constantly especially over potential new policies. Especially during COVID. I find it like children squabbling. Its done in such a rude and unconstructive way.
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DaveDCB
Well-known member
Half the conservatives are anti conservative and all of labour are anti conservative rather than adding something productive!
Never ever even admitting that the occasional thing they have done is not too bad! Constant slander and petty remarks with nothing constructive to add!
Whole lot of them are a joke - neither party are getting my vote!
Never ever even admitting that the occasional thing they have done is not too bad! Constant slander and petty remarks with nothing constructive to add!
Whole lot of them are a joke - neither party are getting my vote!
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
I still believe in COVID parliament should have been disbanded like in WW2 and a war cabinet formed of both sides no excuses then all parties working together for the common goal.
Hardly like labour actually challenged anything the government actually did anyway pathetic bletherings and then agreed.
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6feetdown
Well-known member
Tbf the majority need to hang from the bridge
Bob
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