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bobthebuilder
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The hand of Peter msndleson all over this
Giles
Well-known member
Apparently the letting agent said they’d apply for the license then didn’t
She’s still a Cnut though
She’s still a Cnut though
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
Personal opinion, everyone tries to defend these pricks with the old "haven't you made a mistake" line.
That's fair enough when the mistake was 20 years prior to them taking office and the made a slightly out there comment online or dressed up as Göring for a distasteful Halloween party but the day your elected I fully believe things change overnight.
It's especially relevant for Labour.... A party that pretends to be about what's right. Every single one of these issues has been ruled as "I'm so sorry, I didn't realise I needed to do that". No your f****ng not, you have a comparable army of f****ng lackeys who could and should be tasked with ensuring your following the law of the land..... Worst still when you wake up in the morning as a MP and are confronted with whether you should pay the £100 tax or not you don't ask the question "what can I get away with" you ask the question "what is the safe choice".
Not one, Not one single party is fit to run a bath.... Let alone the country. Reform will ultimately collapse under its own bigotry, the Tory's need to either wheel bumbling Boris out again proclaim that he isn't f****ng sorry for what has proven to be something everyone else did anyway unless they where unemployed or perpetually boring or just abandon being a party.... Labour need the Irish to not botch there next conference. The Lib Dems need to put on big boy trousers and the Green party, oh s**t the green party are actually attempting to no longer advocate to eating f****ng lentils and building a million new yurts and are actually being sensibleish.
At this point and in some desperation it'd be nice if Charlie found time to channel the spirit of his Pa, become a bit more racist and snatch power back from his incompetent cabinet before hopefully having some kind of coronary and handing power to the next generation..... Because whilst I'm not a royalist I'm sure dearest Willie could do something positive. He's got all the makings of a ruler. I mean he's already bald for a start.
That's fair enough when the mistake was 20 years prior to them taking office and the made a slightly out there comment online or dressed up as Göring for a distasteful Halloween party but the day your elected I fully believe things change overnight.
It's especially relevant for Labour.... A party that pretends to be about what's right. Every single one of these issues has been ruled as "I'm so sorry, I didn't realise I needed to do that". No your f****ng not, you have a comparable army of f****ng lackeys who could and should be tasked with ensuring your following the law of the land..... Worst still when you wake up in the morning as a MP and are confronted with whether you should pay the £100 tax or not you don't ask the question "what can I get away with" you ask the question "what is the safe choice".
Not one, Not one single party is fit to run a bath.... Let alone the country. Reform will ultimately collapse under its own bigotry, the Tory's need to either wheel bumbling Boris out again proclaim that he isn't f****ng sorry for what has proven to be something everyone else did anyway unless they where unemployed or perpetually boring or just abandon being a party.... Labour need the Irish to not botch there next conference. The Lib Dems need to put on big boy trousers and the Green party, oh s**t the green party are actually attempting to no longer advocate to eating f****ng lentils and building a million new yurts and are actually being sensibleish.
At this point and in some desperation it'd be nice if Charlie found time to channel the spirit of his Pa, become a bit more racist and snatch power back from his incompetent cabinet before hopefully having some kind of coronary and handing power to the next generation..... Because whilst I'm not a royalist I'm sure dearest Willie could do something positive. He's got all the makings of a ruler. I mean he's already bald for a start.
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
Morning
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Stroppymonkey
Well-known member
I have got one of Clarksons books sat by my bed, it’s about 20 years old and is a collection of his newspaper columns. Mostly very funny and apt, and we are all still arguing over the same s**t 20 years later.
@JD450A .. you are very eloquent and certainly have a touch of Clarkson in your speech
and should have your own column. Although I suppose columns are a thing of the past and it’s called something else now.
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DaveDCB
Well-known member
Biggest problem with our country is everything is all talk talk talk.. what to do something let’s talk about it some more! Oh your doing something about it, best stop what your doing and talk about it!
We get nothing done!!! The talking part is costing more than the actual job at hand!!
We make red tape to enforce the red tape that contradicts all the other red tape!!
It’s getting to the point that your better just doing whatever it is and letting the red tape tangle itself up so much so that it forgot what it was stopping in the first place!
Crack on!
We get nothing done!!! The talking part is costing more than the actual job at hand!!
We make red tape to enforce the red tape that contradicts all the other red tape!!
It’s getting to the point that your better just doing whatever it is and letting the red tape tangle itself up so much so that it forgot what it was stopping in the first place!
Crack on!
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
I have got one of Clarksons books sat by my bed, it’s about 20 years old and is a collection of his newspaper columns. Mostly very funny and apt, and we are all still arguing over the same s**t 20 years later.
@JD450A .. you are very eloquent and certainly have a touch of Clarkson in your speech
There's a reason for that, I struggled with stuff to read at school. I cannot for the life of me get on with fiction the only book of such I've read and enjoyed being hitchhiker's guide by Douglas Adams.
At 13ish I found i quite enjoyed his witterings. Hence probably why I do similar.
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Stroppymonkey
Well-known member
The full volume of HHGTTG is very good.
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
thought this was interesting viewpoint...:
There’s something quietly glorious about watching Reform UK grow while Labour Party frantically insists this is all very dangerous and definitely not happening.
Suella Braverman saying she’s “come home” wasn’t a slogan it was a diagnosis. Not of Reform, but of Westminster. Because what her defection really exposed wasn’t extremism or recklessness, but the sheer hollowness of a political class that talks endlessly about values while enforcing absolute conformity.
Labour’s response to Reform’s rise has been pure muscle memory: smear first, think later. Everyone who questions mass migration is “far right”. Everyone who asks whether borders matter is “divisive”.
Everyone who notices that the social contract is breaking down is told to shut up and be grateful. It’s a politics built entirely on moral hectoring, enforced by bureaucrats.
And that’s why Reform scares them.
Not because Reform is radical but because it’s legible. It says what it means, repeats it, and doesn’t apologise for noticing reality.
Labour, by contrast, governs like a therapy session where the patient is always wrong and the facilitator is always offended. Growth will come later.
The brilliance of Reform’s moment is that it’s optimistic without being naïve. It doesn’t promise utopia. It promises limits. Borders that exist. Laws that are enforced.
A country that still believes it has the right to decide who enters, who stays, and on what terms. Labour treats that instinct as a moral failing. Reform treats it as common sense. That’s the real shift. Not left versus right, but managed decline versus democratic consent.
You can only govern on vibes and virtue-signalling for so long before someone turns up with answers, however unfashionable.
Reform isn’t winning because it shouts. It’s winning because Labour whispers excuses. While Labour lectures the country about compassion, Reform talks about responsibility.
While Labour obsesses over language, Reform talks about outcomes. While Labour worries about being liked by institutions, Reform worries about whether the institutions still work.
And that’s why the attacks keep missing. You can’t shame people out of lived experience. You can’t gaslight voters who can see the strain on housing, wages, public services and cohesion.
You can’t call half the country immoral and expect applause.
Reform’s rise isn’t a protest anymore. It’s a correction. And Labour knows it which is why the insults are getting louder and the answers thinner.
History doesn’t always announce itself with a bang. Sometimes it just changes direction and leaves the scolds shouting at an empty road.
There’s something quietly glorious about watching Reform UK grow while Labour Party frantically insists this is all very dangerous and definitely not happening.
Suella Braverman saying she’s “come home” wasn’t a slogan it was a diagnosis. Not of Reform, but of Westminster. Because what her defection really exposed wasn’t extremism or recklessness, but the sheer hollowness of a political class that talks endlessly about values while enforcing absolute conformity.
Labour’s response to Reform’s rise has been pure muscle memory: smear first, think later. Everyone who questions mass migration is “far right”. Everyone who asks whether borders matter is “divisive”.
Everyone who notices that the social contract is breaking down is told to shut up and be grateful. It’s a politics built entirely on moral hectoring, enforced by bureaucrats.
And that’s why Reform scares them.
Not because Reform is radical but because it’s legible. It says what it means, repeats it, and doesn’t apologise for noticing reality.
Labour, by contrast, governs like a therapy session where the patient is always wrong and the facilitator is always offended. Growth will come later.
The brilliance of Reform’s moment is that it’s optimistic without being naïve. It doesn’t promise utopia. It promises limits. Borders that exist. Laws that are enforced.
A country that still believes it has the right to decide who enters, who stays, and on what terms. Labour treats that instinct as a moral failing. Reform treats it as common sense. That’s the real shift. Not left versus right, but managed decline versus democratic consent.
You can only govern on vibes and virtue-signalling for so long before someone turns up with answers, however unfashionable.
Reform isn’t winning because it shouts. It’s winning because Labour whispers excuses. While Labour lectures the country about compassion, Reform talks about responsibility.
While Labour obsesses over language, Reform talks about outcomes. While Labour worries about being liked by institutions, Reform worries about whether the institutions still work.
And that’s why the attacks keep missing. You can’t shame people out of lived experience. You can’t gaslight voters who can see the strain on housing, wages, public services and cohesion.
You can’t call half the country immoral and expect applause.
Reform’s rise isn’t a protest anymore. It’s a correction. And Labour knows it which is why the insults are getting louder and the answers thinner.
History doesn’t always announce itself with a bang. Sometimes it just changes direction and leaves the scolds shouting at an empty road.
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charlie2
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hammer nail head.
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Smiffy
Well-known member
I don't know. I'm really not a fan but labour do seem to be beavering away at some things like NHS and public infrastructure. It would just be nice if they could actually admit inflation has gone silly, and address it. As well as sorting out tax. Their war on well off people is entirely misplaced. The upper tax bracket needs unfreezing. And more tax relief needs to be applied to one man bands and small businesses. The thought that 50k a year is well off is very outdated.
I'm also not a fan of reform. I think they will cause the same problems that America seems to have at the moment.
I think tbh we are past the point of stabilizing this country. The only way is down
I'm also not a fan of reform. I think they will cause the same problems that America seems to have at the moment.
I think tbh we are past the point of stabilizing this country. The only way is down
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
I've a few misgivings but come on they can't be worse than labour and ref USA don't think trump's caused the problem he's just tried to enforce the law like Obama did and ww3 has erupted from the loons
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Smiffy
Well-known member
He has the diplomacy of a hand grenade. His tweets and what not cause more problems than they solve. And he is definitely on his own agenda. Which I think about sums up Nigel farage.
My problems are mostly with farage rather than the party but I do think they are putting to much effort in trying to attract a certain type of voter that most political parties would perhaps rather distance themselves from.
Storrsy
Well-known member
I tend to think that all these Tories going over to reform, they're just trying to escape a sinking ship, it's just more of the same s**t, at this rate it will be the same cabinet under Boris and Sunak! Think it's very easy to shout about things, I think reform would be out of there depth too if I'm honest- I think the problems in this country run too deep.
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
Meanwhile we've got Comrade Starmer cuddling up to the Chinese Communist Party . Bravo
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Stroppymonkey
Well-known member
Reform certainly can be worse. They haven’t the infrastructure or experience. Saying a thing is very different from doing a thing. As evidenced in lots of local councils.
I am also no fan of Labour
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Stroppymonkey
Well-known member
Generally having swift changes of those in the hot seat is usually a bad thing. Consistency is preferable.
Vinpetrol
Well-known member
I don’t think the Labour Party could be called experienced . At least reform with a few tories thrown in would have some experience . Starmer is desperately courting the world stage to try and garner some credibility but it won’t wash on the home front . He’s a dead duck . Question is who’s going to replace him and how near will Labour take it to the general election before he gets the dunt .
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
Lets wait and see. Our county council is the first for a full reform run....
Not seen anuthung worse than previous myself yet apart from horrified moans from all the civil servants at the idea of cutting waste.
Definitely more pothole repairs going on and that was one of their manifestos.
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Stroppymonkey
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Yeah your are likely right. Regardless of his capacity or capabilities, he is not really got the love of anyone.
Personally I’d like to see Lib Dem’s get a shot again. They do a semi decent job in this part of the world and don’t seem to attract as many crackpots .
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