Fitting a hydraulic thumb using an electronic diverter valve

honey_badger

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good geometry like that ... just need longer pins and get the shape right so it'll stow under the dipper and allow the bucket full crowd
Yeah think I'll base if off the one that Andrew Camarata has on his Kubota, I like the way that one pivots off the pins and how far it folds up.
 
Mogman

Mogman

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I built one for a mates 3 tonner using the same dipper pin as his quick hitch can only find these pictures
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If I remember will take some tomorrow as on a job with him
 
Mogman

Mogman

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that must've taken some head scratching to get that right Paul :unsure::cool:
No just a few chalk pictures on the workshop floor:whistle: the ram came from a Kobuta 3 tonner that I cut up years ago plumbed into his two way breaker service on a couple of taps(y)
 
V8Druid

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No just a few chalk pictures on the workshop floor:whistle: the ram came from a Kobuta 3 tonner that I cut up years ago plumbed into his two way breaker service on a couple of taps(y)
aye aye ..... can you hear the other one jingling :rolleyes: ... some thought went into that ;)
 
honey_badger

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That will be a check valve on your hydraulic top link to stop it creeping
ahh. Why don't they put them on digger rams/tractor loader rams to stop hydraulic sag when parked up? expense? I think our telehandler has one though.
Can anyone answer why the ram on my toplink squeaks when its being let outwards with some weight on the back?
 
honey_badger

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Mogman - is that ram on the thumb exactly the same as the ram on the dipper or not? looks like the same size? Cheers
 
V8Druid

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ahh. Why don't they put them on digger rams/tractor loader rams to stop hydraulic sag when parked up? expense? I think our telehandler has one though.
Can anyone answer why the ram on my toplink squeaks when its being let outwards with some weight on the back?
if you listen very carefully it's actually squealing ;):unsure: .......... "FFS put it down" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
honey_badger

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if you listen very carefully it's actually squealing ;):unsure: .......... "FFS put it down" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
haha probably poor thing. Any idea how i tell what the ram is actually rated for? I just sort of stole it off a front linkage that had been sat in the barn for years and put it on the rear... Several years ago now, had no issues with it so far. Just sort of thought 'looks big enough'.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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haha probably poor thing. Any idea how i tell what the ram is actually rated for? I just sort of stole it off a front linkage that had been sat in the barn for years and put it on the rear... Several years ago now, had no issues with it so far. Just sort of thought 'looks big enough'.
it's rating can be calculated ..... piston area x pressure available = capacity as a straight push ... for a pull, subtract the area of the rod diameter from the piston area, for usable piston area ...
(pi) 3.142 x radius squared ... eg. 50mm cylinder would be 25 x 25 x 3.142 x pressure (say 200 bar) = circa 4t push
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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it's rating can be calculated ..... piston area x pressure available = capacity as a straight push ... for a pull, subtract the area of the rod diameter from the piston area, for usable piston area ...
(pi) 3.142 x radius squared ... eg. 50mm cylinder would be 25 x 25 x 3.142 x pressure (say 200 bar) = circa 4t push
with a 30mm rod .... pull would be circa 2.6t -- [ (pi) 3.142 x piston radius squared -(minus) rod rad. squared x pi x pressure available ]
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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Do we have a pic that says “that went straight over my head” ✈️✈️✈️✈️🚀🚀🚀🚀
" Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. ... So, for any circle, dividing its circumference by its diameter will give you the exact same number: 3.14159 [etc. ad infinitum ] . Pi is also an irrational number, which means that its value cannot be expressed exactly as a simple fraction. " so multiplying the diameter by pi will give you the circumference [Pi x D] of any circle(y)
Think of it with a square piston Shaun .. and it's easier to get your head around .... the 'complicated bit', calc.ing the area of a circle is the confusing bit .... a 2" square cylinder would give you 4 square inches for the oil to push against ... with 200 bar (14.5 PSI x 200) it'd give you 11,600 lbs of force (5.26 tonnes) .. simple as that ;)
 
Mogman

Mogman

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Mogman - is that ram on the thumb exactly the same as the ram on the dipper or not? looks like the same size? Cheers
Probably a bit bigger but it was a ram I had laying about that looked right:whistle:
And my pal who’s machine it’s on fair gives it some:oops::oops: that’s why it’s got the thicker pieces welded on the tips..........as he bent the ends:unsure:
 
Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
" Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. ... So, for any circle, dividing its circumference by its diameter will give you the exact same number: 3.14159 [etc. ad infinitum ] . Pi is also an irrational number, which means that its value cannot be expressed exactly as a simple fraction. "
Think of it with a square piston Shaun .. and it's easier to get your head around .... the 'complicated bit', calc.ing the area of a circle is the confusing bit .... a 2" square cylinder would give you 4 square inches for the oil to push against ... with 200 bar (14.5 PSI x 200) it'd give you 11,600 lbs of force (5.26 tonnes) .. simple as that ;)
And the number never repeats it’s self;)
 
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