Engcon ec02 £3250

[CPS]

So is there still any 4 pipe tilt rotators that have have a hydraulic hitch and can run a grab or similar.

Most of the main players will still offer a 4 and 6 hose system.

Rototilt 4 hose system was called TLE and was available in S30 and S40, I'm not certain if they still do it in the new RC series, and even at that they bumped the price up through the roof on this system.

The only one that i know of that had a manual hitch and no Aux was/is engcons "bargan bucket" 4 hose tiltrotator.. Which does what it says on the tin, Tilts and rotates and ok, on a small sub 2.5 ton machine certainly has a place.

I sold a lot off 4 hose systems, i often refer to them as the "fleet spec" it is mainly bigger companies that will go that way.

 

[doobin]

So is there still any 4 pipe tilt rotators that have have a hydraulic hitch and can run a grab or similar.

I started looking again into what options there is, it's something I do want to add on to the digger at some point.

I contacted steelwrist but there S30 setup they will not supply for any digger over 2.3t and apparently the S40 version can only be direct mounted to an 8026 which is pointless as would then need additional buckets to direct mount to the digger if the tilt wasn't needed

Going to get a price for a rototill although not sure if they do just a 4 pipe setup

No s30 for diggers over 2.3t is just bollocks. I ran 30mm pins for years prior on a 2.7t and never broke any.

 

[JD450A]

No s30 for diggers over 2.3t is just bollocks. I ran 30mm pins for years prior on a 2.7t and never broke any.

I mean it's alright for some but other people have to do real work

 

[doobin]

I mean it's alright for some but other people have to do real work

which is where you’d drop the tilty off.

And still not break a pin.

 

[Gunners]

which is where you’d drop the tilty off.

And still not break a pin.

I only ever drop mine off for the breaker and auger. Had one pin break and that was the 35mm pin in the top hitch! The unit itself has been faultless. To be honest, I don't seem to suffer a reduced breakout force from running one. Yes, I have one of the heaviest machines you can fit them to, but its just not been an issue for me. And with the tilty there's always another way to attack a problem.

I'm currently looking into getting a 4 pipe solution on my (or maybe another brand's ) smaller 1.8t so am not against this idea at all - actually I think its the most cost effective way to get into a tilty as it does 90% of the functionality for half the cost. I kinda have to run a control system to make it work on the 8026 as JCB's 4 pipe solution still uses the foot pedal for one of the circuits on that machine. The 26c has proper rollers on the levers for both, and flow control in the computer, so you could get a 4 pipe setup lovely on a machine like that. But the rest of the machine leaves a lot to be desired sadly.

 

[APhillips]

No s30 for diggers over 2.3t is just bollocks. I ran 30mm pins for years prior on a 2.7t and never broke any.

We have been told by the factory that the S30 'Design Spec' has a maximum weight limit of 2.3t and hence they won't support an X02/XTR2 on anything over this weight, its a frustrating situation and one which means we don't sell as many Tiltys onto sub 3t machines as I think we could otherwise.

However it does seem that S40 is the common size for 2.5t upwards in Scandinavia based on machines for sale on Mascus, I wonder if our push for S30 was because the majority of UK spec machines being retrofitted with tiltrotators have long dippers?

I always give customers the option of a 4 hose setup (if their machine is configured to allow it) there is a decent saving against a full control system and on smaller machines it certainly helps manage costs, particularly when it is a customers first foray into tilty ownership.

 

[doobin]

I only ever drop mine off for the breaker and auger. Had one pin break and that was the 35mm pin in the top hitch! The unit itself has been faultless. To be honest, I don't seem to suffer a reduced breakout force from running one. Yes, I have one of the heaviest machines you can fit them to, but its just not been an issue for me. And with the tilty there's always another way to attack a problem.

Maybe by undercutting a stump from the side on or similar. But there’s not always another way, hence why you drop it off for the breaker or auger.

What other attachments do you keep under the tilty?

I'm currently looking into getting a 4 pipe solution on my (or maybe another brand's ) smaller 1.8t so am not against this idea at all - actually I think its the most cost effective way to get into a tilty as it does 90% of the functionality for half the cost. I kinda have to run a control system to make it work on the 8026 as JCB's 4 pipe solution still uses the foot pedal for one of the circuits on that machine. The 26c has proper rollers on the levers for both, and flow control in the computer, so you could get a 4 pipe setup lovely on a machine like that. But the rest of the machine leaves a lot to be desired sadly.

I’d be very interested in your thoughts in the 26c as a friend is contemplating one.

90% of the functionality for half the cost- my point exactly! It’s been a real game changer for me.

 

[Gunners]

I’d be very interested in your thoughts in the 26c as a friend is contemplating one.

I did a video review on it. Watch the bit with the windscreen wiper and tell me you'd still buy one. Its not its only fault but kinda sums up a lot. They aren't the only company to do this though - that Kobelco SKR50 had the same design and interestingly enough was also another machine I wouldn't buy for various reasons. But the wipers are inexcusable.

One thing I will say positive about the 26c is its incredibly powerful. No wonder that guy bent his ram lifting bulk bags.

 

[doobin]

You should try a grab under the tilty - I much prefer it to any I’ve used with a hydraulic rotator tbh. (It might be what I’m used to though as have done many more hours with a tilty-grab setup than with a stand alone rotator).

I reckon this could work for me. Better than the dangle mount- I can plug the tilt hoses together to allow the tilt to float.

I’ll get the spare five finger grab a headstock, it’ll be handy for the groundworks jobs where I only need a grab for five minutes to move concrete etc. save taking the tilty off.

So long as I remember to take plenty of spare pipes until I get used to the limited rotation!

I’m definitely not changing for forestry type work though- will keep using mydedicated grab/rotator for 95% of work. Even if I piped up a divertor to use the through port on the engcon, the fittings and through port are way to small to let me work fast enough. Especially on things like pulling brambles, you’re opening and closing the grab every five seconds.

 

[V8Druid]

I reckon this could work for me. Better than the dangle mount- I can plug the tilt hoses together to allow the tilt to float.

I’ll get the spare five finger grab a headstock, it’ll be handy for the groundworks jobs where I only need a grab for five minutes to move concrete etc. save taking the tilty off.

So long as I remember to take plenty of spare pipes until I get used to the limited rotation!

I’m definitely not changing for forestry type work though- will keep using mydedicated grab/rotator for 95% of work. Even if I piped up a divertor to use the through port on the engcon, the fittings and through port are way to small to let me work fast enough. Especially on things like pulling brambles, you’re opening and closing the grab every five seconds.

you'd have the same issue with the cable to power the 6x2 diverter then though
you might also be surprised how quick the grab'll operate through 6mm ports too

 

[doobin]

you'd have the same issue with the cable to power the 6x2 diverter then though
you might also be surprised how quick the grab'll operate through 6mm ports too

How would the cable get damaged? It’s on the top half of the engcon- probably on the machine if I did it, a divertor on the side of the boom.

I’d be very surprised- I’m currently putting 55 lpm through 3/8 hoses. It doesn’t want to be any slower IMHO. From memory the EC02 aux flow through the unit is only around 15lpm- think it was @CPS who told me that.

 

[V8Druid]

How would the cable get damaged? It’s on the top half of the engcon- probably on the machine if I did it, a divertor on the side of the boom.

I’d be very surprised- I’m currently putting 55 lpm through 3/8 hoses. It doesn’t want to be any slower IMHO. From memory the EC02 aux flow through the unit is only around 15lpm- think it was @CPS who told me that.

My bad - was thinking you wanted to divert the flow under the tilty
how quick do you want the grab to close 55/min'd be the blink of an eye

 

[doobin]

how quick do you want the grab to close 55/min'd be the blink of an eye

I open and close it a thousand times a day pulling scrub and brambles. A blink of an eye is wistful thinking.

The current restriction is the 3/8 ports on the grab ram, so i don’t want to go halving them with a 6mm fitting under the engcon.

 

[bobthebuilder]

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think he might mean 'single service'

 

[bobthebuilder]

think he might mean 'single service'

He says a electric switch in cab to alternate between swivel and grab?

"JB Contracts it has a solenoid on the attachment and a switch in the cab to switch between both operations."

 

[V8Druid]

He says a electric switch in cab to alternate between swivel and grab?

"JB Contracts it has a solenoid on the attachment and a switch in the cab to switch between both operations."

still needs two hoses though - pressure and return/A & B , for a single, double acting service ... basically a 6 x 2 diverter