Regy53
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It’s a good point I have no idea . I would think it’s got a lot stricter since the amount of vehicles and the price of leccy. One firm I know was giving you £500 as a bonus if you bought a leccy car
Routy56
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Since March 2016 Sharon's daily driver is a Yaris Hybrid which we still have today 
Photo of the two red Yaris in our family. The one of the left is Laura's Yaris Sport. The one on the right is Sharon's Yaris Icon HYBRID. We bought them both at one year old (very rarely buy new) and still have them as daily drivers today.
Sharon's HYBRID ticks ALL the boxes for us. Sharon absolutely loves it.
Over the last few years we have had many discussions about ELECTRIC v HYBRID etc
And even a few years ago agreed that we would NOT buy an electric car in the future
Three main reasons for this:
1. Range anxiety
2. High purchase cost
3. High cost of charging when not at home (we have solar panels)
There have been many articles recently in the media as people wake up to the hard facts of the downsides of owning an electric car in real life terms.
So our Yaris Hybrid is now coming up to 8 years old with absolutely no problems. The fuel consumption for a 1500cc petrol car is superb. Goes like hell when you boot it and both electric and petrol kicks in. As an EV we can go across town and is great for creeping up on people in the supermarket car park
So we have said that we will change it before it is 10 years old. And that will be our last car into retirement.
And this is the car that Sharon now wants as a replacement.
Very similar to her current red car, but a more upright spacious SUV type suitable for us as we get older
Watch this space - within the next few months we will be buying a nearly new Toyota Yaris Cross HYBRID
It will tick all the boxes for us in the real world
Photo of the two red Yaris in our family. The one of the left is Laura's Yaris Sport. The one on the right is Sharon's Yaris Icon HYBRID. We bought them both at one year old (very rarely buy new) and still have them as daily drivers today.
Sharon's HYBRID ticks ALL the boxes for us. Sharon absolutely loves it.
Over the last few years we have had many discussions about ELECTRIC v HYBRID etc
And even a few years ago agreed that we would NOT buy an electric car in the future
Three main reasons for this:
1. Range anxiety
2. High purchase cost
3. High cost of charging when not at home (we have solar panels)
There have been many articles recently in the media as people wake up to the hard facts of the downsides of owning an electric car in real life terms.
So our Yaris Hybrid is now coming up to 8 years old with absolutely no problems. The fuel consumption for a 1500cc petrol car is superb. Goes like hell when you boot it and both electric and petrol kicks in. As an EV we can go across town and is great for creeping up on people in the supermarket car park
So we have said that we will change it before it is 10 years old. And that will be our last car into retirement.
And this is the car that Sharon now wants as a replacement.
Very similar to her current red car, but a more upright spacious SUV type suitable for us as we get older
Watch this space - within the next few months we will be buying a nearly new Toyota Yaris Cross HYBRID
It will tick all the boxes for us in the real world
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
will follow this with interest ... Still struggling with what to replace the Golf with ... current front runner's a Kia Sportage 4x4 petrol - as high a spec as I can find s/h .... and it'll tow 1800kg, according to the spec.Since March 2016 Sharon's daily driver is a Yaris Hybrid which we still have today
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Photo of the two red Yaris in our family. The one of the left is Laura's Yaris Sport. The one on the right is Sharon's Yaris Icon HYBRID. We bought them both at one year old (very rarely buy new) and still have them as daily drivers today.
Sharon's HYBRID ticks ALL the boxes for us. Sharon absolutely loves it.
Over the last few years we have had many discussions about ELECTRIC v HYBRID etc
And even a few years ago agreed that we would NOT buy an electric car in the future
Three main reasons for this:
1. Range anxiety
2. High purchase cost
3. High cost of charging when not at home (we have solar panels)
There have been many articles recently in the media as people wake up to the hard facts of the downsides of owning an electric car in real life terms.
So our Yaris Hybrid is now coming up to 8 years old with absolutely no problems. The fuel consumption for a 1500cc petrol car is superb. Goes like hell when you boot it and both electric and petrol kicks in. As an EV we can go across town and is great for creeping up on people in the supermarket car park
So we have said that we will change it before it is 10 years old. And that will be our last car into retirement.
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And this is the car that Sharon now wants as a replacement.
Very similar to her current red car, but a more upright spacious SUV type suitable for us as we get older
Watch this space - within the next few months we will be buying a nearly new Toyota Yaris Cross HYBRID
It will tick all the boxes for us in the real world
Routy56
Well-known member
Yep I'll keep y'all updatedwill follow this with interest ... Still struggling with what to replace the Golf with ... current front runner's a Kia Sportage 4x4 petrol - as high a spec as I can find s/h .... and it'll tow 1800kg, according to the spec.
My daily driver track/SUV trailer/caravan tow car is my lovely Navara.
Euro6, very fuel efficient and ULEZ compliant etc etc
Being fitted later this week with General Grabber AT3 before the snow arrives
Kia Sportage are very good, my mate has one as a tow car/SUV etc - keep us updated......
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
apparently, according to Pam, Kia have been one of the biggest sellers in the UK this last twelve months ...... they've come a long way since they first appeared for sure ... 's also one of the few where there're options to stay away from lugging half a tonne of batteries around for occasional useYep I'll keep y'all updated
My daily driver track/SUV trailer/caravan tow car is my lovely Navara.
Euro6, very fuel efficient and ULEZ compliant etc etc
Being fitted later this week with General Grabber AT3 before the snow arrives
Kia Sportage are very good, my mate has one as a tow car/SUV etc - keep us updated......
and appear to be good VFM .... need to go look at a few and have a drive .. the 4x4,s are thin on the ground, s/h though as are 'top flighters' which're mostly 4x4,s ... hopefully March'll bring a few more to the market ... manual or auto is also a quandry
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OBL
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I rented a Kia sportage over Christmas while my van was having rear seats fitted.will follow this with interest ... Still struggling with what to replace the Golf with ... current front runner's a Kia Sportage 4x4 petrol - as high a spec as I can find s/h .... and it'll tow 1800kg, according to the spec.
It was the petrol, not sure about 4x4 but it drove very well and easily hit 40mpg which was surprising as it’s quite big!
A few too many nanny aids that you can turn off fortunately and on the return trip with a heavier foot it went well! Understeers a bit when greasy but I was probably being a bit silly
7 years warranty is a no brainer, could buy at three years old?
Don’t think you’d be disappointed.
I’d get shot before warranty ends though… that digital dash would be a nightmare to sort if it went wrong.
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Smiffy
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I rented a Kia sportage over Christmas while my van was having rear seats fitted.
It was the petrol, not sure about 4x4 but it drove very well and easily hit 40mpg which was surprising as it’s quite big!
A few too many nanny aids that you can turn off fortunately and on the return trip with a heavier foot it went well! Understeers a bit when greasy but I was probably being a bit silly
7 years warranty is a no brainer, could buy at three years old?
Don’t think you’d be disappointed.
I’d get shot before warranty ends though… that digital dash would be a nightmare to sort if it went wrong.
I bought my wife one at three years old. It's only the 1.6petrol manual front wheel drive. Not going to set the world on fire speed wise but realistically plenty good enough as a daily car it also has cruise control, blue tooth and The like and a big enough driving space to fit me which isn't an easy find. The 7 year warranty is what was appealing. Whilst it isn't fully comprehensive for radio and stuff like that it covers more than enough to not be left without a car.
Buying a Kia at 3 years old and replacing at 7 was the most cost effective option I could find for us. Pre covid prices nothing else could compete for depreciation costs without going to something significantly older. And you don't need to have it dealer serviced to maintain warranty, just have a cat registered garage use OEM parts.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
they'm all like it though these days .. aren't they?I rented a Kia sportage over Christmas while my van was having rear seats fitted.
It was the petrol, not sure about 4x4 but it drove very well and easily hit 40mpg which was surprising as it’s quite big!
A few too many nanny aids that you can turn off fortunately and on the return trip with a heavier foot it went well! Understeers a bit when greasy but I was probably being a bit silly
7 years warranty is a no brainer, could buy at three years old?
Don’t think you’d be disappointed.
I’d get shot before warranty ends though… that digital dash would be a nightmare to sort if it went wrong.
don't think they do a bigger petrol engine ? the warranty is certainly appealing as is the non-dealer servicing. What's "cat" registration?
thanks for the input guys
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/kier-highways-explores-hydrogen-feasibility
....... more greenwash
....... more greenwash
TiltyShaun
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I think he means VAT rather than CAT
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Smiffy
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Sorry autocorrect it's VAT registered so cant do it yourself as need to keep the invoice. But still saves a chunk over dealer.
And I think they do a 2ltr petrol in the 4wd one. 4wd is part of the trim level rather than a separate option.
But we went for the second up from base model petrol as they seemed the higher models seems to depreciate slightly more and the base model is very rare. And then the diesel has a dpf which I didn't want the issues of as my wife's commute is under 10 minutes.
The only downside is they don't have the biggest boot in their class. But coming from a golf you probably wouldn't notice
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Brendan
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Can't see the point in the small hybrid or fully electric.
Mum had a citigo and even giving it a bit of stick would see north of 50 mpg. She has changed to a petrol Yaris last year I've not had a look at what's it getting but would imagine it's getting similiar or more in her case as she just plods about.
She did ask about getting a fully electric citigo or up a few years back but at Double the cost of a petrol it would take her over a decade to see any difference.
On a side note.....
Not quite as clear cut as the storey makes out, Apparently they have closer to 37 with two being full on proper bin wagons rather than just 3.5t vehicles
Mum had a citigo and even giving it a bit of stick would see north of 50 mpg. She has changed to a petrol Yaris last year I've not had a look at what's it getting but would imagine it's getting similiar or more in her case as she just plods about.
She did ask about getting a fully electric citigo or up a few years back but at Double the cost of a petrol it would take her over a decade to see any difference.
On a side note.....
Not quite as clear cut as the storey makes out, Apparently they have closer to 37 with two being full on proper bin wagons rather than just 3.5t vehicles
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
DO NOT WANT any hybrid of any description
.... dead weight IMHDO .... ...... and there's not a lot about that aren't now ... after a bit of googling .... they actually bought 39 vehicles ... some are operational, some are in the process of being ''mobilised '' and £1.5m of the budget was for charger installation .... the fact that most of the vehicles they replaced are normally "taken home" by their drivers will create a need for space for;
(a) the driver's own vehicles during working hours when they have to bring their vehicles to work
and
(b) space for all 39 vehicles to be on charge overnight ...
and
(c) sufficient space for ALL the vehicles (leccy and private) to be on site together
oh and they don't have sufficient power supply to cope either
Usual type of council fk up
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
don't know if they did a 2ltr, but not listed in current spec.s ...... as you say the AWD is subject to spec. hence looking for a high spec. model .. sadly it looks like the AWD,s're all auto ... not as I dislike an auto -- driven 'em for donkey's and no clutch wear to worry about
... the ability to tow a decent weight is more than comp. for a golf sized boot TBH.need to find last years spec.s for their engine/transmissions ....... £20-ish k'll get you a '22 with under 10k on it, and 6yrs warranty from what I can see ..... didn't really want to spend that amount, but it'll maybe be the last motor I buy
... will keep the P38 alive as long as poss. for proper towing and sort the disco out for the same ... both are LPG-ed and if it came to it, I'd remove the petrol tanks to reg. 'em as gas only and stick some more gas tanks into 'em 
craig
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Looks like recharging on the road vs petrol has fallen back in favor of petrol.
www.walesonline.co.uk
Electricity costs more than petrol for drivers on long journeys, says RAC
Average price of using rapid chargers on a pay as you go basis has soared in recent months
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topkit
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The whole thing is a sham! Had a chap turn up a couple of weeks back (during the very cold spell) in a Tessla he was with us for a couple of hours when he left he asked where a certain place in Sevenoaks is as they have the only Tesla charging point in the area, Anyhow off he goes to his car and after 5 mins he is knocking on the door again, He tells me when he parked up he had 7% battery left after 2 hours he jumps into the car and finds it is now saying 0% probably due to the very cold temerature so I roll out an extension lead out for him and he plugs it in, 2 hours later it still has not taken a decent enough charge to move, At this point I offered him 4 triple AAA batteries which did raise a chuckle! Anyhow we got chatting and he was telling me how the salesman told him it would do 200 miles on a full charge but once he had got the car and read the book he found out that you should not fully charge the batteries too often as it shortens the batteries life ( not rocket science really) He reckoned the build quality was debatable too anyhow He rang Tesla and they were venry unhelpful so he got his Tesla recovered and taken to a designated Tesla Charging point, in the meantime I went drooled over my 348 and 911 obviously both eco unfriendly petrol cars!
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Smiffy
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don't know if they did a 2ltr, but not listed in current spec.s ...... as you say the AWD is subject to spec. hence looking for a high spec. model .. sadly it looks like the AWD,s're all auto ... not as I dislike an auto -- driven 'em for donkey's and no clutch wear to worry about
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need to find last years spec.s for their engine/transmissions ....... £20-ish k'll get you a '22 with under 10k on it, and 6yrs warranty from what I can see ..... didn't really want to spend that amount, but it'll maybe be the last motor I buy
They only updated them last year so chances are you will be looking at the previous model.
I believe the 2022 onwards petrol models have a particulate filter identical to a dpf. The engines have a very small power band so auto would probably be best as my wife's manual does require a lot more gear changes than the older vehicles I am use to.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
again .. thanks for the input .... this sort of sh1t is hard to find, without hearing from users
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Smiffy
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again .. thanks for the input .... this sort of sh1t is hard to find, without hearing from users
There are several Sportage Facebook groups. Mostly just rubbish but very good at complaining. I haven't seen any complaints of problems from the ppf but the problems with dpf's mean I'm not to sure what to replace ours with. When the time comes. I'm not sure when the last of the previous shape where registered as that would be my preference. If not might have to look at rav4's as they have 10 year warranty if dealer serviced. Just quite a bit more money.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
can well see diesel vehicles being hard to unload in a few years time TBH ... plus petrol is a lot easier/less hassle to maintain ....... think our current Golf is the only diesel car I've ever owned (apart from landies
) ... 's a good little bus, but too much tech sh1t on newer diesels to consider another.Footer block 1