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[Storrsy]

Volvo EC20 is £27500 bare stick.

 

[hiluxman]

Yanmar engines in them now then?

Deffo sounds expensive.

So they are yanmar engines now??

 

[doobin]

So they are yanmar engines now??

Yes, the e10, e17, e19 and e27z are now yanmar. An extra kw over the old engine in the 10, 17 and 19 which is no bad thing.

The e27 which I have is still Kubota and 18.3kw

 

[doobin]

Volvo EC20 is £27500 bare stick.

That’s insane.

 

[Storrsy]

That’s insane.

It is. Why I was about to pull the trigger on one for a hi spec one for £19k with 450hrs. But it had a short dipper which made it feel awful for grading with so back to square one again.

 

[hiluxman]

Yes, the e10, e17, e19 and e27z are now yanmar. An extra kw over the old engine in the 10, 17 and 19 which is no bad thing.

The e27 which I have is still Kubota and 18.3kw

Not so good for the tip over brigade then

 

[6feetdown]

Wasn’t there someone on here who had a great deal on a Hitachi mini recently? I’d be pretty bing one of those up (even if only to use as a stick to hit the Bobcat salesman with).

17k wasn't it?

 

[Left hooker]

The Hitachi are beyond basic in comparison to the bobcat specced above and I don't think there is much in the way of options. Great machines and really well built but they're what you buy for someone else to drive

The 1.9u Hitachi is amazing machine to drive and use

 

[William127]

Thanks for all the feedback

I'm at a point where my outgoings have recently dropped by around £800 a month,3 of my finance deals finish in the next 8 months and the other 2 finish in the next 15 months. While I have no intention of building them back up to the previous levels, I'm quite happy adding another £400 - 500 a month back out.

The question I guess is buy something decent, a couple of years old or a new off the the shelf machine on a cracking deal for between 13 to 17k, which would basically be a standard, as it comes, simple digging machine.

Or go all out, buy brand new high spec, full warranty etc and all the benefits of owning from new but at a much higher cost.
Not sure the benefits outweigh the extra cost.

Really need to sit down with a pen and paper, not do it all on my phone in the queue for the bakers

 

[Storrsy]

Thanks for all the feedback

I'm at a point where my outgoings have recently dropped by around £800 a month,3 of my finance deals finish in the next 8 months and the other 2 finish in the next 15 months. While I have no intention of building them back up to the previous levels, I'm quite happy adding another £400 - 500 a month back out.

The question I guess is buy something decent, a couple of years old or a new off the the shelf machine on a cracking deal for between 13 to 17k, which would basically be a standard, as it comes, simple digging machine.

Or go all out, buy brand new high spec, full warranty etc and all the benefits of owning from new but at a much higher cost.
Not sure the benefits outweigh the extra cost.

Really need to sit down with a pen and paper, not do it all on my phone in the queue for the bakers

My thoughts out of those 3 options. From how you describe your job I reckon a new Hitachi on one of those deals will make/save you the most money. Used machines are still pretty high, new high spec some is all nice but you pay for it and won't dig much different than the Hitachi. A high spec option could well depreciate at a high cost if things are going the way everyone thinks. Whereas bog basic Hitachi might loose £5-7k over 5 years or so

 

[DaveDCB]

For that size machine I’d be doing what @Storrsy said above

 

[Monkeybusiness]

For that size machine I’d be doing what @Storrsy said above

And me!
2x sets of proportional aux hydraulics are pretty much the only addition any little machine really benefits from, and only then if you intend to run a rotating grab etc.
If you ended up deciding that was a necessity you’d be able to cobble something together for a massive amount less than the additional Bobcat price.

 

[doobin]

And me!
2x sets of proportional aux hydraulics are pretty much the only addition any little machine really benefits from, and only then if you intend to run a rotating grab etc.
If you ended up deciding that was a necessity you’d be able to cobble something together for a massive amount less than the additional Bobcat price.

Hitatchi is still a foot pedal for the aux and boom swing unfortunately. £700 for an extra aux is not silly money for a factory fitted electronic divertor plus all the pipework IMHO.

I specced my E19 to be 'future proof' and when the secondhand tilty came along it was a very simple fit and is about as good as you can get on that size machine, as is the grab (with the short dipper option).

That said, I made plenty of money with a basic Hydundai 1.7t and a grapple and it led on to buying the stuff I run today. Depends what your long term plans are. Will you ever want a tilty or rotating grab? As someone whos been through buying a tilty and changing the hitch and buckets to S30, my advice would be to do it right first time, it's cheaper than changing your mind later. I'm very glad I ticked the short dipper option.

If you keep it enough years then the extra money will soon be forgotton regardless of resale value. But if you are only going to be digging holes and just want a larger machine then the Hitatchi is a cracking deal for a bog basic machine from a reliable manufacturer.

 

[Left hooker]

still a foot pedal for the aux and boom swing

So is my 5t nothing wrong with it

 

[doobin]

So is my 5t nothing wrong with it

Depending upon the owner op's experiences and needs there might be. I'm just pointing out that fitting a circuit suitable to run a rotator grab or basic tilty onto the ZX19 is not as simple as you might think.

I could never go back to foot pedals for a front line machine. I swear it's given me knee problems with the amount I used to use them.

 

[Left hooker]

Depending upon the owner op's experiences and needs there might be. I'm just pointing out that fitting a circuit suitable to run a rotator grab or basic tilty onto the ZX19 is not as simple as you might think.

I could never go back to foot pedals for a front line machine. I swear it's given me knee problems with the amount I used to use them.

Could say the same for clutch and brake peddles

 

[Storrsy]

Hitatchi is still a foot pedal for the aux and boom swing unfortunately. £700 for an extra aux is not silly money for a factory fitted electronic divertor plus all the pipework IMHO.

I specced my E19 to be 'future proof' and when the secondhand tilty came along it was a very simple fit and is about as good as you can get on that size machine, as is the grab (with the short dipper option).

That said, I made plenty of money with a basic Hydundai 1.7t and a grapple and it led on to buying the stuff I run today. Depends what your long term plans are. Will you ever want a tilty or rotating grab? As someone whos been through buying a tilty and changing the hitch and buckets to S30, my advice would be to do it right first time, it's cheaper than changing your mind later. I'm very glad I ticked the short dipper option.

If you keep it enough years then the extra money will soon be forgotton regardless of resale value. But if you are only going to be digging holes and just want a larger machine then the Hitatchi is a cracking deal for a bog basic machine from a reliable manufacturer.

The Hitachi's Zx19 is on joystick rollers and track pedals. Not sure what kind of deals are available on them...

 

[Storrsy]

Hitatchi is still a foot pedal for the aux and boom swing unfortunately. £700 for an extra aux is not silly money for a factory fitted electronic divertor plus all the pipework IMHO.

I specced my E19 to be 'future proof' and when the secondhand tilty came along it was a very simple fit and is about as good as you can get on that size machine, as is the grab (with the short dipper option).

That said, I made plenty of money with a basic Hydundai 1.7t and a grapple and it led on to buying the stuff I run today. Depends what your long term plans are. Will you ever want a tilty or rotating grab? As someone whos been through buying a tilty and changing the hitch and buckets to S30, my advice would be to do it right first time, it's cheaper than changing your mind later. I'm very glad I ticked the short dipper option.

If you keep it enough years then the extra money will soon be forgotton regardless of resale value. But if you are only going to be digging holes and just want a larger machine then the Hitatchi is a cracking deal for a bog basic machine from a reliable manufacturer.

I get the short dipper thing for grab work or tilty use. But with standard hitch and buckets the Volvo I tried the other was terrible. The boom was massive and then felt like the dipper had no where near the range to match it when grading- plus stopped miles short of the blade.

 

[Storrsy]

Depending upon the owner op's experiences and needs there might be. I'm just pointing out that fitting a circuit suitable to run a rotator grab or basic tilty onto the ZX19 is not as simple as you might think.

I could never go back to foot pedals for a front line machine. I swear it's given me knee problems with the amount I used to use them.

Definitely agree with foot pedals. Also find it flares my knees up big time after a day in them- it's one of the main requirements now going forward especially for grab work and working a post driver . Don't mind the pedal for ofsetting the boom too much.

 

[Storrsy]

Could say the same for clutch and brake peddles

Automatic any day!