Cost to run a lorry?

[V8Druid]

LOLER is a oddball set of regulations with a lot of misconceptions about. Fact is anyone who is mechanically competent and impartial (not benefiting from passing off dodgy gear) can check something over.
Most gear is 12 monthly, anything connected with lifting persons (Mewps, or handlers/cranes that are used with baskets) come under 6 months.
Lorry loader equipment that Lifts anything comes into it, that includes Grab's, Hooklifts and Skip Loaders.

I personally do everything site related to a LOLER standard, it's simple enough involving the checking of wear plates, looking for cracks, weaping seals, fraied pipes (Yes the outer sheath can be chaffed provided there are no wires showing) condition of running gear (be it tracked or wheeled),function of safety devices etc. I also have the 7 ton machines inspected by a main dealer as they are the usual suspects to be lifting on site.

I've seen seasoned safety men get confused R.E Loler. But as a HSE Inspector told a farmer freind recently... Even a In House/farm wash down of a telehandler and a good overall check is better than doing nothing!

The machinery is 12 months Rory ...
all ancillaries are under a 6 monthly inspection regime ...
unless it is something that has not been used between inspections, like a heavy set of chains perhaps, then it's simply ticked in register as
" unused since previous inspection "

Cranes and man riding cradles / baskets are a no no, as a rule, unless there is absolutely no other method of access ... only thing that's likely to be used with regularity would be say, a shaft riding cage on a crane, sinking a pit ... so yeh would fall into 6 monthly visual inspection regime and 12 monthly thorough, alternately. Most other cranes rarely get a man basket hung on 'em these days

as for anyone ... anyone competent, like a crane operator should visually inspect the equipment he is about to use every time it comes out the box .... only a qualified tester can carry out the 6 monthlies and sign them off in the periodic inspection register as "passed, failed, scrapped, or in need of repair AND retest "

If you're a machine op that has just had a set of chains hung on your QH, out of the site shed .... you should get out and inspect for obvious defects, (and hopefully have sufficient nouse to be able to do it) ask to see the most recent thorough visual inspection report/register and check the serial no. against it, plus hold a test certificate copy for them AND whatever is attaching them, in the cab whilst they are attached to you .... woe betide you if you haven't and it goes south ... buck stops in the seat .. initially

My cranes had everything on board, inc. ins. cert.s, reg. doc copies, etc., all in a folder, including copies of all the operator's tickets ... in case they forgot it !!

 

[JD450A]

"What is a 'competent person'?
The term 'competent person' is not defined in law but the LOLER Approved Code of Practice and guidance (paragraph 294 on competent persons) states that:
'You should ensure that the person carrying out a thorough examination has such appropriate practical and theoretical knowledge and experience of the lifting equipment to be thoroughly examined as will enable them to detect defects or weaknesses and to assess their importance in relation to the safety and continued use of the lifting equipment.'
Although the competent person may often be employed by another organisation, this is not necessary, provided they are sufficiently independent and impartial to ensure that in-house examinations are made without fear or favour. However, this should not be the same person who undertakes routine maintenance of the equipment - as they would then be responsible for assessing their own maintenance work."

Thorough examinations and inspections of lifting equipment - HSE

www.hse.gov.uk

 

[V8Druid]

"What is a 'competent person'?
The term 'competent person' is not defined in law but the LOLER Approved Code of Practice and guidance (paragraph 294 on competent persons) states that:
'You should ensure that the person carrying out a thorough examination has such appropriate practical and theoretical knowledge and experience of the lifting equipment to be thoroughly examined as will enable them to detect defects or weaknesses and to assess their importance in relation to the safety and continued use of the lifting equipment.'
Although the competent person may often be employed by another organisation, this is not necessary, provided they are sufficiently independent and impartial to ensure that in-house examinations are made without fear or favour. However, this should not be the same person who undertakes routine maintenance of the equipment - as they would then be responsible for assessing their own maintenance work."

Thorough examinations and inspections of lifting equipment - HSE

www.hse.gov.uk

that's the 6 monthlies Rory ...
the fact that the op. is in the chair should qualify him to visually inspect before putting into service/operation/use ... if he can't he should NOT be in the seat

 

[Bri963]

This is one where you need to read up on LOLER and HSE guidelines for yourself, which Rory obviously is doing. I’ve never found the government guidance to be confusing, and anyway there are plenty of lifting specialists who will put you right for the cost of a phone call.

 

[Quattromike]

We use bureau veritas for our lifting gear inspections, we had a visit for an HSE gentleman a year or two back who decided he wanted to have a look through our paperwork and he spotted that bureau veritas had put the next inspection date on the inspections certificate 12months from he date they were inspected Instead of 6months, Which just happened to be 2 months prior So where in date but just the fact the date of next inspection was wrong he was going to be giving us an improvement notice. I had to convince him he was being an arse. If a global company like BV can’t get everything right then what chance have we got.

 

[tinydigger]

You haven't even touched on LEEA (Lifting equipment Engineers Association) They have so many different levels that you have to do a separate weeks worth of classroom and exams for. I done the foundation course and most of that was sitting in a classroom going on about law and crap like that. All my company's own equipment and customers gear we check is done under LEEA we don't use LOLER at all for our inspections

 

[V8Druid]

We use bureau veritas for our lifting gear inspections, we had a visit for an HSE gentleman a year or two back who decided he wanted to have a look through our paperwork and he spotted that bureau veritas had put the next inspection date on the inspections certificate 12months from he date they were inspected Instead of 6months, Which just happened to be 2 months prior So where in date but just the fact the date of next inspection was wrong he was going to be giving us an improvement notice. I had to convince him he was being an arse. If a global company like BV can’t get everything right then what chance have we got.

doesn't surprise me with HSE ... the other half the time they never had an idea of WTF they were on about ..... had a right bargy with one years ago about FLTs and who could use 'em in my premises ... I won ....
last time they turned up they were unceremoniously kicked out until they returned suitably attired for the environment they wanted to enter .... never saw 'em again !!

 

[Quattromike]

Up the M1 over the A66 Up the M6,M74 into the A9 and back across the A95. If you see me give me a wave

 

[Quattromike]

I'll be driving we're new truck up the road

 

[Mogman]

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I'll be driving we're new truck up the road

looks a tidy rig mate what size crane is it? I suppose it has a 7.5 tonne front axle with the super singles on

 

[Quattromike]

looks a tidy rig mate what size crane is it? I suppose it has a 7.5 tonne front axle with the super singles on

HMF 3220, 4 extensions. 9ton front axle, 11.5 ton drive and 7.5 tag.

 

[Mogman]

9 tonne that’s a proper set up then
I think them HMF cranes are very underrated just look at the slew ring well over engineered for a 32 tonne meter crane what make of remote has it?
sorry for all the questions but there is something about lorry loaders that get me excited

 

[Quattromike]

9 tonne that’s a proper set up then
I think them HMF cranes are very underrated just look at the slew ring well over engineered for a 32 tonne meter crane what make of remote has it?
sorry for all the questions but there is something about lorry loaders that get me excited

Well, you know what, we looked long and hard trying to get the truck that did what we wanted had the right bits for the job and didn’t cost the earth and wasn’t old as f*#k but I have no idea what the remote is. I think it’s just an hmf remote with the EVS system. I’m getting a crash course on it tomorrow.

 

[Quattromike]

as far as I know I have to supply my own Yorkie bars

 

[Quattromike]

EVS

 

[Quattromike]

EVS

It looks like the one in the video link

 

[V8Druid]

EVS

very clever system that ..... presumably a combinations of load sensing and motion/stability sensors

 

[Mogman]

Probably a scanreco badged as a HMF got one on the “new” truck and had them before never had any problems with themthe one I’m running at the moment is a hetronic one and one of the self centring springs broke couldn’t get a new spring had to buy a new joy stick £180 but managed to talk to a guy who repaired them and bought a second hand joy stick (which had a faulty cricuit) from him for a tenner and swapped the spring

 

[Quattromike]

Just for the record I had my eyes peeled looking out along the road but alas nobody offered me a wave as I made my way north
maybe you need a face that fits

 

[Mogman]

Just for the record I had my eyes peeled looking out along the road but alas nobody offered me a wave as I made my way north
maybe you need a face that fits

What you need is a proper low loader All the other low loader drivers will let on to you then