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Jimoz
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Who even trusts some one in a lorry like that? I can't get someone to clean my belle out properly let alone look after one of them
Quattromike
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There has been plenty bulk mixers cut open and someone in with a pecker to get the concrete out that's been left in too long
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Smiffy
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But it's a lorry for some reason I can't quite understand there are plenty of blokes who will spend there break and there weekends washing a polishing a wagon they don't own for free
Just look in the British tipper trucks group on a Saturday morning
There is a bloke I've seen in an aggregate industry lorry (may be a franchised haulier) that takes a cloth with him to the weighbridge so he can wipe one side on the way in and the other on the way out
TiltyShaun
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I was chatting to our local volumetric concrete supplier a few weeks ago. This year he has purchased 3 new trucks at £180k each and a new concrete pump just shy of £100k. He said they don’t stop to clean the trucks on each job as it would cost him an extra delivery each day. Financed over 5 years and expects the equipment will need a major refurb if it is remounted!! Only started 8 years ago but just shows you what can be done starting out with an old truck, cash flow and big balls!!
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Joey123
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Lots of money to be made with a volumetric mixer, well at the moment but it’s going the same way as grabs as most the grab guys are going the concrete route.
I’d be watching some like a hawk not all but quite a few use recycled brick dust instead of sand and recycled aggregates.
Always have a couple cube moulds sitting there and make sure they see you fill the buggers, I’ve seen it pissed in that week you’d be better off using cornflakes.
Oh and make sure you don’t disappear for too long as you’ll need to push the flip flop and coke cans back down.
I’d be watching some like a hawk not all but quite a few use recycled brick dust instead of sand and recycled aggregates.
Always have a couple cube moulds sitting there and make sure they see you fill the buggers, I’ve seen it pissed in that week you’d be better off using cornflakes.
Oh and make sure you don’t disappear for too long as you’ll need to push the flip flop and coke cans back down.
pettsy
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I was in the yard of one of our local ones on Friday. They’re based in the corner of a quarry so aggregate easily accessible for them. Was a fair view from the top of their cement silo!
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Joey123
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It’s certain one’s mate not all, I’m sure you can work out the one’s that need watching
pettsy
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It’s certain one’s mate not all, I’m sure you can work out the one’s that need watching
Like everything, certain ones undercut then ruin the job for the genuine businesses
Quattromike
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Going over to Leeds this weekend to look at a 6wheeler daf with crane and beavertail. It looks like what we want but just dunno if it is what they say. Anyone had any experience with HMF cranes?I think we're considering changing our little truck for a crane truck. Probably 23t/m crane with flat bed on. I'd like a beaver tail or cheese wedge but think our budget is too tight for that. This is a nice wagon with a bit of grunt
Quattromike
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Incidentally the crane has broken down on the truck and the visit is off, not an overly good advertisement I must admit but these things do happen.
TiltyShaun
Well-known member
Better it break down before you buy rather than 30 mins just after!!!
Quattromike
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Yes it certainly is, I believe it's something to do with the connectivity between the crane control and the lorry. I've never really herd of HMF cranes but since looking into it they are common enough.
craig
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HMF cranes are more usually found as clamshell grabs, builders merchant cranes, and smaller T/M sizes, but more recently seem to be having a bit of a push in bigger knuckle boom hook cranes.
I used to use one twenty odd years ago, on a underlift recovery truck, from memory it had no bad habits, and was nicer to use than the other crane on the yard, where I worked at the time, you'd like too hope they`ve not got worse with age.
Last year priced a new one, to replace my currant PM, On paper the current ones seem to be quite compact, taking less chassis space than their competitors in the same weight class, and a slightly less dead weight than some.
Cranes newer than around 2010 had to have a lot more safety sensors on them, out rigger and legs, and more complicated cut out systems (read electrics and ecu), so more scope for breakdowns, progress they say.
I used to use one twenty odd years ago, on a underlift recovery truck, from memory it had no bad habits, and was nicer to use than the other crane on the yard, where I worked at the time, you'd like too hope they`ve not got worse with age.
Last year priced a new one, to replace my currant PM, On paper the current ones seem to be quite compact, taking less chassis space than their competitors in the same weight class, and a slightly less dead weight than some.
Cranes newer than around 2010 had to have a lot more safety sensors on them, out rigger and legs, and more complicated cut out systems (read electrics and ecu), so more scope for breakdowns, progress they say.
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Smiffy
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I think it's something about lorry cranes and there safety features that make them very temperamental
Every one I've used or had deliveys from seems to get upset
Coupled with the tendency to operate them inappropriate places such as under trees that batter the sensors and cables they all seem to like breaking down
I am not sure but I think if it has a clamshell or log grab permanently attached it comes under a different set of rules some don't have any of the safety features some don't require a loler and some require a lesser loler than the same crane with a hook on
I don't the ins and outs but know they are classed differently
Every one I've used or had deliveys from seems to get upset
Coupled with the tendency to operate them inappropriate places such as under trees that batter the sensors and cables they all seem to like breaking down
I am not sure but I think if it has a clamshell or log grab permanently attached it comes under a different set of rules some don't have any of the safety features some don't require a loler and some require a lesser loler than the same crane with a hook on
I don't the ins and outs but know they are classed differently
Quattromike
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Someone told me 2008 was the year of change for the crane regs. Most now are at the modern sensors all over the place spec.
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Brendan
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I think they still need loler for the crane, I'm sure it's only dumpers and excavators solely used for excavation work with zero activities for lifting objects
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
IIRC any lifting activity with a suspended load will come under LOLER ... the grabs are probably classed as excavation equipment if the grab is fixed
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Smiffy
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I found the exemption on the HSE website here is the copy of it
Normally, machines such as cable cranes and forestry machines that lift as part of their function which do not have appropriate protective structures (whether purpose-built or adapted from other industries) will require thorough examination. However, tree harvesters and forwarders with appropriate protective structures will not require thorough examination.
Equipment used in forestry does not need to be thoroughly examined where:
Normally, machines such as cable cranes and forestry machines that lift as part of their function which do not have appropriate protective structures (whether purpose-built or adapted from other industries) will require thorough examination. However, tree harvesters and forwarders with appropriate protective structures will not require thorough examination.
Equipment used in forestry does not need to be thoroughly examined where:
- it does not lift loads over people and
- the operators of equipment are protected by:
- a roll-over protective structure (ROPS) or
- a tip-over protective structure (TOPS) combined with:
- a falling object protective structure (FOPS) and
- an operator protective structure (OPS)
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
LOLER is a oddball set of regulations with a lot of misconceptions about. Fact is anyone who is mechanically competent and impartial (not benefiting from passing off dodgy gear) can check something over.
Most gear is 12 monthly, anything connected with lifting persons (Mewps, or handlers/cranes that are used with baskets) come under 6 months.
Lorry loader equipment that Lifts anything comes into it, that includes Grab's, Hooklifts and Skip Loaders.
I personally do everything site related to a LOLER standard, it's simple enough involving the checking of wear plates, looking for cracks, weaping seals, fraied pipes (Yes the outer sheath can be chaffed provided there are no wires showing) condition of running gear (be it tracked or wheeled), function of safety devices etc. I also have the 7 ton machines inspected by a main dealer as they are the usual suspects to be lifting on site.
I've seen seasoned safety men get confused R.E Loler. But as a HSE Inspector told a farmer freind recently... Even a In House/farm wash down of a telehandler and a good overall check is better than doing nothing!
Most gear is 12 monthly, anything connected with lifting persons (Mewps, or handlers/cranes that are used with baskets) come under 6 months.
Lorry loader equipment that Lifts anything comes into it, that includes Grab's, Hooklifts and Skip Loaders.
I personally do everything site related to a LOLER standard, it's simple enough involving the checking of wear plates, looking for cracks, weaping seals, fraied pipes (Yes the outer sheath can be chaffed provided there are no wires showing) condition of running gear (be it tracked or wheeled), function of safety devices etc. I also have the 7 ton machines inspected by a main dealer as they are the usual suspects to be lifting on site.
I've seen seasoned safety men get confused R.E Loler. But as a HSE Inspector told a farmer freind recently... Even a In House/farm wash down of a telehandler and a good overall check is better than doing nothing!
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