Vinpetrol
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Why did you decline ?
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
keep trying to persuade me every two weeks .... forget it
....... got enough issues with my DNA as it is, without some other ****er playing about with me genes. "Politely declined" 
TiltyShaun
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I am very cynical of vaccinating for this virus using a quickly cobbled together vaccine that has never been done before in the timescale that it has taken. The virus is bad news if you are over 70 with underlying conditions. I am not. I dont live in a city. I don’t work in a high risk factory. I don’t use public transport. I play in dirt and crap for a living and my immune system has served me well for the last 54 years. I also think more people have had this without knowing and I suspect my last 2 bouts of flu and illness may have been my reaction to having this over 12 months ago. I await with interest to see what developments there will be regarding future travel and vaccine passports. At the moment I am happy to see what the next flu season brings. In the meantime I will let my DNA do what it does without interference from something that might turn out to be a medical breakthrough, or might be a disaster.
Vinpetrol
Well-known member
Would you recommend that your family members get it ?
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
this is an irreversible alteration to people's DNA Vin - once in you it can not be removed ... it is a permanent alteration of your genetic code ..... it's everyone's individual choice ....... but choice should be fully informed and the great British public are being treated like mushrooms
Lancs Lad
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You forget a great majority are mushrooms...this is an irreversible alteration to people's DNA Vin - once in you it can not be removed ... it is a permanent alteration of your genetic code ..... it's everyone's individual choice ....... but choice should be fully informed and the great British public are being treated like mushrooms
Or they certainly look like they eat magic ones.
I'm gonna have it as I'm pretty fkked anyway so let's see always fancied an extra set of whatsits.
But each to their own and that's why I like this forum ...certain others have just turned into a full on slanging match on this topic. Pathetic really.
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Lynchy
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I'm the opposite regarding having lived in London since just before this all kicked off,went to clubs, gigs,covent garden until they were stopped,have used public transport on occasion,mostly empty down here n funnily enough study showed no sign of it on tfl vehicles and stations,worked on hs2 since last Feb,including boys from Merthyr three of who eventually got it ,after week end house party during Welsh firebreak!
Basically if I ain't had it yet ........not rushing to get a vaccine,can't see foreign travel happening this year,happy enough week or two Cornwall lol or south coast again,each to their own,if you feel happier get vaccine,if not don't always thought medical records private,but not these days
Vinpetrol
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I’m asking because I’m genuinely interested in Shaun’s take on it. His circumstances are almost exactly the same as mine . I happen to think that all the years working outside gives us more protection to viruses etc than people working in offices factories etc , I’m 55 and touch wood I can’t recall ever having flu or a cold bad enough to keep me off work . I only came down on the other side of the fence from Shaun when I found myself in the position of trying to talk my 80 year old mum into having it .this is an irreversible alteration to people's DNA Vin - once in you it can not be removed ... it is a permanent alteration of your genetic code ..... it's everyone's individual choice ....... but choice should be fully informed and the great British public are being treated like mushrooms
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fred
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As I understand it, it doesn't alter our DNA at all. It gives our immune system a dose of covid so it can lock into into the bodies immune system. Same as mumps, measles, rubella etc.
The figures now all the coffin dodgers have been vaccinated are looking really good, hospitals getting quieter and less deaths so there must be something to it.
I want to go abroad in the autumn and for sure they will want some sort of immunity passport so will get it soon as its offered.
The figures now all the coffin dodgers have been vaccinated are looking really good, hospitals getting quieter and less deaths so there must be something to it.
I want to go abroad in the autumn and for sure they will want some sort of immunity passport so will get it soon as its offered.
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Smiffy
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I think that's the Oxford vaccine you are describing
I think the astra zeneca vaccine is the one rdruid is talking about
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
" Ribonucleic acid ( RNA) is a polymeric molecule essential in various biological roles in coding, decoding, regulation and expression of genes. "
If you go way back in this thread Vin ... Mrs Shaun is a research scientist and her take on it is, she won't be advising any of her family to have it
I'm missing a gene off a chromosome in my body, which has caused my problems the last 10+ years (was born like it and they have no idea HTF my body coped for 50 odd years with it) ..... no way am I shoving anything into me even vaguely related to DNA and it's control .... My prescribed and tested over many years, treatment is as far as I plan on going, re. pratting about with my genetic make up .......... for now..........we're up to 20 odd million guinea pigs ATM ..... see how they are/have fared in 12 months time
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fred
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the pfizer one is purely synthetic but it doesn't change DNA either, they just made the vaccine synthetically instead of using common cold virus.
www.itv.com
How does the Pfizer vaccine work? | ITV News
Analysis shows the vaccine can prevent 95% of people from getting Covid-19. | ITV National News
www.itv.com
TiltyShaun
Well-known member
As @V8Druid has said. The RNA vaccine will do unknown work inside the body. My wife works in medical research and the things I have learnt in the last 13 years is how they will manipulate data. I have 2 children from previous marriage. They are both in there 30 and are aware of my wife’s concerns. They are old enough to make an informed adult choice that reflects there circumstances. Fortunately my 8 year old child and all the grand kids (all under 4yrs old) are not in line for a jab. What will be will be. I also have family history with auto immune diseases. I don’t currently knowingly have one. I don’t fancy messing with my dna in case it stimulates one. Time will tell and for me.....still happy to sit this out for now!!
Vinpetrol
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Fair enough Shaun I can see how you came to your decision ! and also how it’s clear cut for Graham as well . I suppose we have to all make our own informed choice
It’s a shame we can’t choose what one we would like
TiltyShaun
Well-known member
Sorry @fred you are missing the science. The messenger gives a message to your DNA to produce the spike protein. The spike protein should then stimulate the immunity against the spike. The reality is we don’t know what the long term effects are of this. It has not previously been done.the pfizer one is purely synthetic but it doesn't change DNA either, they just made the vaccine synthetically instead of using common cold virus.
How does the Pfizer vaccine work? | ITV News
Analysis shows the vaccine can prevent 95% of people from getting Covid-19. | ITV National News
To be clear I am not anti vaccine. I am just very weary of this break through!!
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Monkeybusiness
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I thought the Oxford vaccine was based on existing flu vaccines? They’ve been around for a long time - do they alter your DNA too?
TiltyShaun
Well-known member
The method they use has been around for 30years in vaccine production.
Another point to make is this whole scale vaccination programme is questionably. We should not be stimulating immune response in people that are not at risk from dying from Covid. The figures are showing the infection and death rate has dropped considerably now the vaccine has been rolled out to those at risk. That is positive. This still leads me back to the question I wanted to know the answer to this time last year. What is it that governments think they know that caused borders to be closed, furlough schemes and mass money stimulus around the world?
When I find the answer to that question I might want to be first in the queue for a jab!!
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
or not!
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Lynchy
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Well,I've been down London since just before covid kicked off,went to gigs,pubs covent garden before all shut down,went out pubs,meals when we were 'allowed',travelled on bus n tube now n again,worked all the way through,including with certain groups who don't give a flying.....including three lads from Merthyr who tested positive after two of them went to house party,during Welsh firebreak,gf in medical profession,most of friends,who we have met the same,so if I haven't had it yet be a big suprise,never known a year when I've had no cold,illness,even hayfever wasn't bad,
Not rushing to get vaccine,not bothered about foreign travel this year,or getting into pubs,work currently has tests but voluntary,thought medical records were private?
Not rushing to get vaccine,not bothered about foreign travel this year,or getting into pubs,work currently has tests but voluntary,thought medical records were private?
Lancs Lad
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Covid-19: NHS Test and Trace 'no clear impact' despite £37bn budget
It was set up to help prevent lockdowns but there have been two more since its launch, MPs say.
www.bbc.co.uk
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