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Smiffy

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I'm sure there are going to be people out there who owe money, who could pay, but will use this as an excuse not to, or at least delay massively.

And it will probably be some of the big players aswell
 
Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better
And it will probably be some of the big players aswell
I'm sure it will be. The normal excuses, accounts are off sick, they have been fuloughed, computer problems working from home, etc, etc.
Saying that, I got paid what I was expecting from Amey today, which is a bonus.
 
doobin

doobin

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Bottom line is our yard is rate-able, it's already on the rates system as £4000 rate-able value, atm we get small business rates relief but without that it could easily be several thousand a year in tax. That is what you and Doob need to realise.... the only reason we don't pay rates at present is due to the rate relief (which I reckon will be cut at the end of this regardless whether you have claimed the grant or not!)

If they try to claw the money back it'll most likely be a increase in some form of tax which we shall all have to pay.... It's highly unlikely they will target individuals (although that would be the fair way).

If we end up owing 10k we shall pay it back when they ask. But I suspect it's highly unlikely..... I am rarely one for playing the free money game but in this instance your a fool if you don't take anything your entitled to!

That's my opinion anyway. If we had a agricultural (Zero) rated yard I would'nt of applied.... but it is and always has been industrial, so we might as well grab what we can.
I got the wrong end of the stick, I thought you were rushing to register it for rates to claim! If you're already rateable but exempt, then crack on mate, and don't feel bad about it either!
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
I got the wrong end of the stick, I thought you were rushing to register it for rates to claim! If you're already rateable but exempt, then crack on mate, and don't feel bad about it either!
If that was the crack I definitely wouldn't be.... bastards will backdate the rates on anyone daft enough to register the agricultural sheds! and likely make sure there just over £10,000 rate-able value! :censored:

On another note i'm selling a lot of f****ng screened soil atm (y)
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I believe Boris said they would review the situation in 3 weeks, almost most to give people a glimmer of hope, I expect we will get another 3 weeks at that review next weekend, for review again.
sadly i think you are right ... a 12 week lock down in one hit is not palatable to Joe Public ... getting it doled out in tranches may come a little easier .. perhaps - but only to some
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
3 months the furlough scheme is for.
and that's why I am of the opinion the three weeks'll be extended ... again and again ... just that saying 12 weeks outright'll cause a major panic in the HTF do I cope with that stakes .... I feel sorry for anyone sitting this out in a flat or lego land ... must be tough :(
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
You have misunderstood that/I've typed it badly then.

What I mean in effect is we will take the 10k, pay everything we owe (including things that are not due until next month) so everything is paid whether it's due or not 👍. Issue we have currently is also bills I'm due which are yet to be paid..... Not started chasing people yet as I already know the answer 😢
you know your customers Rory ... but don't be afraid to chase the buggers who'll be taking the piss .... everyone is in the same boat and if they have had the work done they should have had the funds to cough for it when they instructed you ... and shouldn't have bloody spent it either ... it's your money :mad: :rolleyes:
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I was reading this in the paper this morning. Seemed to make sense to me (I'm not sure who Toby Young is as I'm not up on media types). If I get corona and am desperatly ill am I worth spending £500,000 on as opposed to someone with cancer whom they will only spend £15,000 to £30,000 on? However harsh I doubt it.
Article from the Telegraph:
Toby Young is the General Secretary of the Free Speech Union (freespeechunion.org)
very interesting post Gra and along the lines of some other stuff that's been posted ... IIRC @Lynchy put up some similarly excellent links to a similar 'argument' .... Ferguson hasn't exactly got the greatest track record ... in fact it's ****ing diabolical .... and still they listen to him ??????? :cry:

as for QALY ... it's a tough one to argue when you're trying to ... been there ... but took 13 months to get my treatment funded and only managed it as it is so rare it's classed as an 'orphan disease' and falls outside QALY's normal regimen .... run of the mill stuff is totally decided by their QALY criteria:oops::oops:
 
Bri963

Bri963

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I was reading this in the paper this morning. Seemed to make sense to me (I'm not sure who Toby Young is as I'm not up on media types). If I get corona and am desperatly ill am I worth spending £500,000 on as opposed to someone with cancer whom they will only spend £15,000 to £30,000 on? However harsh I doubt it.
Article from the Telegraph:
This week I found myself “trending” at number one on Twitter. For the uninitiated, that’s not a badge of honour. Twitter creates a new “star” every day and, paradoxically, no one wants to be that person. You’re not at the top of the pyramid, so much as the bottom of a pile-on involving tens of thousands of people.

My sin was to write an online article in The Critic, a conservative magazine, expressing scepticism about the Government’s Covid-19 strategy. I queried whether it was worth spending £350 billion and destroying the economy to slow the rate of infection.

Is the case fatality rate really as high as Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College would have us believe? Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University has speculated that it may end up being 0.05 per cent, lower than seasonal flu. And what if Professor Sunetra Gupta and her team at Oxford University are correct and up to 50 per cent of us have already been infected?

Even if we accept the Imperial estimate that 250,000 will die if we don’t keep everyone locked down for the next 18 months, aren’t we placing too high a monetary value on extending the lives of people who, for the most part, are very elderly and will die soon due to underlying health conditions?

The average age of the patients who’ve died of coronavirus so far is 79.5 and average life expectancy in the UK is 81. I worked out that we’re valuing the lives of those 250,000 people at £500,000 each.

It was that last calculation that enraged the Twitchfork mob. Tens of thousands of people across the UK started denouncing me as a “Nazi” and a “eugenicist” or, if they were feeling charitable, a “Tory scumbag”. Apparently, anyone who dissents from the official Government line – that we should do “whatever it takes” to stop people becoming infected – deserves to be cancelled. Several people even called for me to be locked up.

In fact, NHS doctors place a monetary value on patients’ lives and use it to make clinical decisions every day. As a general rule, the National Institute of Clinical Excellence values one quality-adjusted life year (Qaly) at between £15,000 and £30,000, depending on health. Even if we assume that each of those 250,000 people will enjoy another eight years of perfect health, we’re still valuing their lives twice as highly as we would in normal times.

Evidently, lots of people find such reasoning deeply cynical during a time of national crisis, when our instinct is to protect the elderly and the vulnerable. But the economic damage being done by the lockdown will also cost lives. According to Philip Thomas, a professor of risk management at Bristol University, if GDP falls by over 6.4 per cent over the next two years as a result of prolonged economic inactivity, more lives will be lost than saved thanks to rises in poverty, violent crime and suicide. We’re already beginning to see the first signs of this in Southern Italy, where civil unrest is breaking out because people cannot afford to buy food.

The conclusion I reached is that the Government should end the lockdown after Easter and return to a mitigation strategy, with self-quarantining limited to those most at risk. Let’s get the economy going again before tens of thousands of businesses go bust, consigning millions to the dole queue. Our high streets were in trouble before the outbreak of Covid-19, but if the lockdown is extended for 18 months they’ll never recover.

Not everyone will agree with this analysis and that’s fine. What I find harder to understand is the intolerance shown towards those who challenge the current direction of travel. Surely, at a time like this, when the Government is making decisions every day that will affect all our lives for years to come, we need more scrutiny of those decisions, not less?

One of the most common criticisms made of me on Twitter is that I’m not a virologist or an epidemiologist so I should shut up. Instead, we should listen to the experts. But scientific experts aren’t infallible and how we respond to this crisis is ultimately a political decision, which means it’s a proper matter for public debate. Now is not the time to stop holding our elected leaders to account.

Toby Young is the General Secretary of the Free Speech Union (freespeechunion.org)
Be interesting to see what value he puts on his own life if the time comes
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾

Some very interesting statistics really. The cases per million population are lower than most first world countries in the UK, the death rate is a bit higher.

Now it can be spun whatever way you want.... either due to the data collection or population..... you decide
 
Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better

Some very interesting statistics really. The cases per million population are lower than most first world countries in the UK, the death rate is a bit higher.

Now it can be spun whatever way you want.... either due to the data collection or population..... you decide
I don't think we can really tell until after it is all over. So much of these sort of percentage stats rely on how testing is done. That and I don't believe any of the numbers coming out of China or Russia or any other totalitarian states.
At least it doesn't go along with the general view in a lot of the press that Boris is uniquely doing it all wrong, he's an idiot, etc and we are all going to die because of him personally not caring.
 
Furniss

Furniss

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Thankfully only had a couple of outstanding invoices when it kicked off - one to council so should get that eventually and the other to a local farmer so no surprise that that hasn't shown up yet :rolleyes: , got to watch the local farmer, couple of weeks ago one called in to ask if I would go dig a building out ready for him to lay some concrete..... had to point out he hadnt paid me for the last job that was done in 2009 :mad: was only a bit of a scratch around with 1.5t so it wasnt a big deal but knew if I waited long enough I would get my chance :sneaky: response was they never received invoice :rolleyes:
 
Regy53

Regy53

I like cake
I paid all my outstanding invoices last week including ones that were not outstanding , everybody needs as much help as they can get.
Incidentally we are due to get 10k from the Gov. It is a very big help imo. Really just pays the rent for a bit but that's the biggest cost I have,
 
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Brendan

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I'm pretty much paid up with my bills for work related stuff just have the hire company to square up, on the hand owed a lot of money which I have no idea when it will be paid. It's a s**t position but thankfully all my plant is paid off, so it's just household bills left. All in all it's been a s**t year so far, by far the worst Jan and Feb I've had for a while and it just seems to keep coming like that
 
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Lynchy

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Monkeybusiness

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Keeping me pretty busy at home this virus - finally building a shed that I’ve had the steel for since November...
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I’ve also got lambs hatching daily - the kids being at home is a real bonus tbh. The timing is actually brilliant!
 
Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
Keeping me pretty busy at home this virus - finally building a shed that I’ve had the steel for since November...View attachment 13257View attachment 13258

I’ve also got lambs hatching daily - the kids being at home is a real bonus tbh. The timing is actually brilliant!
Well jealous of the shed😩 mine is still on a trailer waiting for some concrete pads but the batching plant (next door) is only supply for big sites:mad:
like the lambing gloves👍 Is that what the bride uses when going to the shops now😂😂
 
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