doobin
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I wouldn’t bother. Move it on. Next thing to go will be the pump or the shitty single cylinder Diesel engine. And good luck getting those parts.
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I wouldn’t bother. Move it on. Next thing to go will be the pump or the shitty single cylinder Diesel engine. And good luck getting those parts.
JD450A
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@Levelout can you get parts?
Bri963
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Nowt wrong with single cylinders. Pull the Chinese lump out and fit a Honda petrol or a sixty year old Lister.
Bri963
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Six stone in a year is impressive. Well done Tiny(er).
JD450A
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Carter Smalley.... I like it
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Russell
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It is, what did you change?
I'm guessing sugar related?
Gunners
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Guys this would be an unfair test, we are all contractors and as has been said by the importer - its not a contractor spec machine.
Its intended for domestic use so only Doobin can test it for us
And @Smiffy what you witnessed was most likely the machine in the process of being stolen, not much left in Aldershot these days
Its intended for domestic use so only Doobin can test it for us
And @Smiffy what you witnessed was most likely the machine in the process of being stolen, not much left in Aldershot these days
JD450A
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What about @V8Druid he's a weekend warriorGuys this would be an unfair test, we are all contractors and as has been said by the importer - its not a contractor spec machine.
Its intended for domestic use so only Doobin can test it for us
Regy53
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Guys, do remember there are people’s livelihoods here, from all circles, the customer who bought it to the supplier.
@Get Carter can you confirm if you had let the dealer know? Or the importer? I dont side with anybody here and its good both party’s on here are hopefully talking to resolve. We should remember its a 6k bit of kit but it really depends how its sold. Overall it could be a big set of circumstances most dealers want to sell product and may just be selling them in hope it doesn’t come back i dont know . I would say this can happen if the dealer in this example is about selling numbers without caring about the product, smaller dealers need numbers to make a living so cant walk from a customer. Also some customers may be expecting to much of a 6k machine not saying that is the case either but it really depends how it was sold.
When we sell our Lumag dumpers specificly the tracked low spec ones with levers we now call customer to suss them out (if its a eBay sale for example) as I have had plant men expecting this thing to be manhandled all day every day via a labourer and loaded via a digger. Now in principle it will but its going to take a bit more mainatance, (cable adjustments etc) if they slam a handle into the wall it will break. They are buying a £1800 dumper to do what should be a professional product job. We sell a better range for that type of work. If you know what i mean. They are more of a slower work rate one man band type thing It took a bit of a learning curve to know this but we got there with all customers
@Get Carter can you confirm if you had let the dealer know? Or the importer? I dont side with anybody here and its good both party’s on here are hopefully talking to resolve. We should remember its a 6k bit of kit but it really depends how its sold. Overall it could be a big set of circumstances most dealers want to sell product and may just be selling them in hope it doesn’t come back i dont know . I would say this can happen if the dealer in this example is about selling numbers without caring about the product, smaller dealers need numbers to make a living so cant walk from a customer. Also some customers may be expecting to much of a 6k machine not saying that is the case either but it really depends how it was sold.
When we sell our Lumag dumpers specificly the tracked low spec ones with levers we now call customer to suss them out (if its a eBay sale for example) as I have had plant men expecting this thing to be manhandled all day every day via a labourer and loaded via a digger. Now in principle it will but its going to take a bit more mainatance, (cable adjustments etc) if they slam a handle into the wall it will break. They are buying a £1800 dumper to do what should be a professional product job. We sell a better range for that type of work. If you know what i mean. They are more of a slower work rate one man band type thing It took a bit of a learning curve to know this but we got there with all customers
JD450A
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You have just given me a crisis of conscious.... I've just booked my flight to China to apologise to Chenglei who works at the factory.
On the same Vibe can we please spare a thought for the local takeaways that have suffered as a Result of @tinydigger s weight loss!
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Get Carter
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Did I let them know it was going to be a hire machine. Yes. Infact I was told xxxxxxxx had bought 4 to hire out. I spoke to xxxxxxx a few weeks ago. Couldn't stop singing the praises of the Carter. Oh brilliant I thought. Until the person at the end of the phone thought I'd said Takeuchi as they had part ex all of their CT08's for them.
Spoke to another Hire company. Had theirs 12 months and a rhinoceros. Rhino he is keeping the Carter as it happens had just been sold.
Both points anecdotal of course
The issue for is the machine has not gone out with groundworkers, contractors, etc its gone out only with domestic home owners. I refuse to hire to businesses because I know the machine would be abused but also non of them carry hired in plant insurance.
Mr Carter UK and NI came on here with what I thought was very little contrition. Then came what I took offence at , basically what do you want for your money and your bought the wrong machine anyway!
Oh what a silly sausage I am.
Spoke to another Hire company. Had theirs 12 months and a rhinoceros. Rhino he is keeping the Carter as it happens had just been sold.
Both points anecdotal of course
The issue for is the machine has not gone out with groundworkers, contractors, etc its gone out only with domestic home owners. I refuse to hire to businesses because I know the machine would be abused but also non of them carry hired in plant insurance.
Mr Carter UK and NI came on here with what I thought was very little contrition. Then came what I took offence at , basically what do you want for your money and your bought the wrong machine anyway!
Oh what a silly sausage I am.
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JD450A
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Would you rather of spent the money on a Harley Davidson?
GazCro
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The daftest part of all this domestic vs business users carry on is that the domestic user through not knowing what they are doing or how you are supposed to operate a machine can often be far rougher on a machine than a proper op.
End of the day you build a digger strong enough to cope with its own power not pull its self to bits with a little extra built in for rough users.
End of the day you build a digger strong enough to cope with its own power not pull its self to bits with a little extra built in for rough users.
Bri963
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i can’t understand building a machine to a crap standard for “homeowners”. How does that build the standing of a marque? You‘d be a tad ruffled if you spent six grand for a machine that died halfway through a build and couldn’t get parts or support. I think my 14 year old K008 stands a fair chance of outperforming one of these, without that single cylinder engine vibrating my Emma Freuds to kingdom come.
JD450A
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I had the same conversation with another forum member who was doing a bit of defending.
Personally If Carter UK wanted to build the brand they shouldn't of ever considered importing anything remotely substandard. By Bringing Micky and Mini Mouse into the country that "aren't suitable for anything more than domestic use" they devalue what is being touted as a brand as good as anything else..... It's not quite the same as Lumag as the latter is never going to be a premium brand nor is it sold as such..... But Carter is being thrown out in the bigger gear as "as good as the rest"
It's a bit like Lidl...... Some stuff is great, others mediocre..... But regardless Mediocre is the reputation.
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GazCro
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Yep the most ridiculous idea they could have had bringing junk (if they can actually do better) into a market full of established brands selling their top models. Fair enough you could take a few bells and whistles off and no netflix but the basic machine has to be reliable and capable and able to compete with the others on the market.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
pity I've not got the Wing on the road .... 's a nice run down that way on the A40 and could've taken a blat down there for a bit of a shufty and maybe a spin on their test area (if they have one or a demo available) and given it an 'engineer's eye' once over (the 'Drema still makes me smile 
) ... could used to 'do' Carmarthen in under an hour on the FJ12 - could be back for lunch
) ... could used to 'do' Carmarthen in under an hour on the FJ12 - could be back for lunch
JD450A
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All joking aside too, Mr UK dealer Harps back to the days of Takeuchi/TCM and there lack of reputation when they entered the UK market.
Difference is Takeuchi first entered the UK under the Preistman Guise.... This was 1970's. Yanmar and Mitsi where the first Mini Diggers of our modern thoughts and where up against hateful british wheelbarrow diggers (Powerfabs and similar) Smalleys, Beresford XB15's and other utter shite.... the Japs entered the UK mini excavator market as a stronger product and as such slade the UK rivals, to such an extent that Both the Hymac 370 (7t machine) and the Ruston Bucyrus 3 (7t) sold in very poor numbers.... Both at the time where UK leaders with the Hymac arguably the world leading machine by sales..... Hymac also made a mini digger but it sold so poorly that information on it is non existant.
By the late 1970's the Japs where in full swing with full sized diggers..... Hitachi and Komatsu both rocking the market with far more advanced kit than any European, British or American designs, that killed off most others by the late 80's early 90's....
The Korean Invasion of the late 90's early 2000's revolved around price.... there key in was the Japanese invasion had shown the cheaper machines to be higher quality and more people where keen to chance there coin. (A Kommie -3 is a far nicer place to sit than a Hymac 580D).... Koreans where far more hit and miss mind.... Samsung only really took off when Volvo ate them after cocking the Akerman series of diggers up (Hydraulics don't respond well to just being sped up). Hyundai Have never taken hold bar being a cheap machine due to starting off strong and gradually getting cheaper and nastier. There where others even I cannot remember.
Chinese diggers..... bar Sany I'd not touch them. Sanys are good IMHO but are too pricy for the UK as they have the same drawback as all other Chinese things, and that is the fact that the name inspires image of mixed quality control, and the concern that your chicken chow mein is actually Cat..
Where Carter fit into the puzzle of Chinese between the Detank - * and the Sany ***** I don't know, but the fact they have contemplated making something that even looks like the CT08 is troubling and would put me off the brand.
Bri963
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Don’t knock every European manufacturer from back then, the Japs weren’t any more advanced than the Ackermans and certainly weren’t better machines. Price and Volvo did for that brand. Likewise the last model Mustangs were a match for any Jap at the time, again price and possibly reliability did for them. Hymac didn’t do anything particularly well, and certainly didn’t rise to the challenge. Oh, and the Japs were quite a way behind Poclain. I think Poclain were quite early with mini’s, and were the first over 100 tonnes with a hydraulic machine. Their mid-range machines would stack up against a lot of current products. I certainly felt short-changed moving from an old 14 tonne Poclain to a new 13 tonne Komatsu. Just because some companies couldn’t compete over the long haul didn’t mean that the machines weren’t any good. Don’t think the Japs arrived oven-ready, they had issues but were quick at resolving them.
The early bigger Hitachis found favour with smaller contractors but they didn’t have a rep as a strong digging machine, however they were fast, but in the main didn’t find favour with big muck shifting outfits. Not sure how big their early range was but I think it was the 90’s when they really got a hold of the UK market.When they began to embrace bigger hydraulic machines, Cat, Ackerman and Poclain were the go-to’s in a lot of the bulk market. Cat turned to Eder for their smaller machines. The 215 was Cat designed and made in Belgium from the off and no-one would call it inferior to Jap machines of the time, certainly not me who had my arse in a good few makes over the years.
Not sure how the numbers stacked up, but I don’t remember seeing many Taks over here when the minis started making 1 RB’s redundant, but Kubota were certainly about in big numbers very quickly, with little Hitachis pushing them hard. The Kubotas were much cruder than the Hitachis back then (80’s) but anything beat a pick and shovel so they sold.
I’d take any of the above machines over most takeaways except Liu Gong.
The early bigger Hitachis found favour with smaller contractors but they didn’t have a rep as a strong digging machine, however they were fast, but in the main didn’t find favour with big muck shifting outfits. Not sure how big their early range was but I think it was the 90’s when they really got a hold of the UK market.When they began to embrace bigger hydraulic machines, Cat, Ackerman and Poclain were the go-to’s in a lot of the bulk market. Cat turned to Eder for their smaller machines. The 215 was Cat designed and made in Belgium from the off and no-one would call it inferior to Jap machines of the time, certainly not me who had my arse in a good few makes over the years.
Not sure how the numbers stacked up, but I don’t remember seeing many Taks over here when the minis started making 1 RB’s redundant, but Kubota were certainly about in big numbers very quickly, with little Hitachis pushing them hard. The Kubotas were much cruder than the Hitachis back then (80’s) but anything beat a pick and shovel so they sold.
I’d take any of the above machines over most takeaways except Liu Gong.
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V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
spent many hours on 3.5-4t Kubs in the early 80s and were a very good tool .... dug well, sipped fuel and were reliable .... would happily have a tidy one sat here - solid old tools
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