GazCro
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Unless you're carrying stuff with the front end in soft going the bigger front wheels are no real advantage as its the back end that's heavy.
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AusDave
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In my experience, if the equal wheel machine has 4 wheel steer, they are way more manoeuvrable than small wheel front wheel steer. Even though my Haulotte is 11 tonnes the 4 wheel steer is fantastic in tight locations as wheel as giving you crab steer capabilities. Less bucket visibility just takes a little time to adjust to but then you get used to it and it's not a problem.
You also put some counterweight where it's needed with the extra weight of equal 4 wheels, as well as better traction in soft ground and higher load capacity on the front end. I'd be interested in hearing from people on this Forum that own and are experienced on an equal 4 wheel steer machine. Sometimes without experience people stick to what they're used to rather than try something new. I've always found having machines with different capabilities to my competition gets me more work.
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Smiffy
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I was thinking the other day though why jcb has never done a 4x4x4 3cx
They do the 2cx and 4cx as equal wheel 4 wheel steer. A 3cx with 4 wheel steer would make it more relevant on modern sites with such confined operating space.
GazCro
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The 4cx is the 4x4x4 version of a 3cx.
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DaveDCB
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They have, they did a 3cx super(circa 1996/1998 I think) which had 24” wheels like the telehandler, 4cx runs on 28” which are also narrower than the standard 3cx rear 26’ wheels, unless you spec extra wide which I think reduces turning circle yet again..
I seem to remember the 4cx has a larger turning circle then a 3cx, standard sitemaster on 18” front wheels turn on a 6pence, especially if you dab the independent brakes!
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Smiffy
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I though the 4cx was a bigger chassis all together
GazCro
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Maybe is now but i think early ones weren't that different from a 3cx. It's difficult to remember/work out with Jcb as they changed model names colours etc so often you can't keep up.
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Smiffy
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Yeah and now they have the 3cx compact which looks bigger than the 2cx it replaced.
Tbf I'm surprised these arnt more common now as 3cx are really to big for typical road works and they are far more useful than a 2.5t for road works
Storrsy
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Old ford 655 it is then
contractor I k ow has been running backhoes more or less all his life- swore the old fords were the best at getting accross peaty moorland.
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
4CX is a different beast to a 3cx. Always has been...
3cx Super was the 4x4x4 variant of the 3cx. Awesome diggers.
3cx compact is a oversized 2cx and is lovely to drive.
3cx Super was the 4x4x4 variant of the 3cx. Awesome diggers.
3cx compact is a oversized 2cx and is lovely to drive.
Regy53
I like cake
I think anybody who overlooks JCB is bonkers and worst case Cat… I have had some many people trying to out there NH etc in favour of these brands because they are fed up of being let down by them…
Then the residual is literally bonkers in comparison
Then the residual is literally bonkers in comparison
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DaveDCB
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Agreed , I’ve had some issues(some big and a lot are because I’m just fussy) with jcb over the years, but they have always been sorted out and I’ve never been left without a machine or out of pocket.
JD450A
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Polishbuilt however....
GazCro
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I'm not even gonna go there....
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DaveDCB
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We have the Same dealer, so I’ve no idea what went on. Maybe I just shouted louder…
Simon edwards
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To be honest the residual is’nt my biggest concern as I intend to keep A new machine for at least 5 years (working on extended warranties)hopefully closer to ten,by that point the residual becomes a bit irrelevant and from what I can see you are talking probably a 10k ish difference between jcb and other makes.
On that I have’nt overlooked jcb,I will see what they come up with next week,we have had them since the 70’s and I’ve run 4 myself the previous 3 being amazing machines and our 02 project 12 was still my main machine until recently and as for residual value it’s worth pretty much what we paid for it 12 years ago but I would guess an 02 new Holland in the same condition would’nt be too much less.
On that I have’nt overlooked jcb,I will see what they come up with next week,we have had them since the 70’s and I’ve run 4 myself the previous 3 being amazing machines and our 02 project 12 was still my main machine until recently and as for residual value it’s worth pretty much what we paid for it 12 years ago but I would guess an 02 new Holland in the same condition would’nt be too much less.
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AusDave
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I think one my my biggest considerations with any vehicle or machine I buy is parts availability. And long term spare parts availability comes with sales volume. My vehicles are mainly Toyota including the Hino truck. Apart from being reliable, parts are available everywhere with plenty of choice from third party suppliers and manufacturers who target vehicles with volume sales.
I have three JCB 1CX machines and although they're not a massive volume seller they have been around a while and most models share common parts. As JCB has a big sales volume in Australia, especially with its backhoes, as well as the official JCB source we have a third party provider of JCB parts at reasonable prices and high stock levels. They are also very knowledgeable and helpful which can be uncommon, and also supply secondhand parts from machines they dismantle.
While Volvo had a good backhoe a few years back, I'd hate to be relying on parts for a discontinued machine into the future. However I can get parts for my 27 year old 1CX with no problems.
And before someone points out my contradiction, yes my Haulotte Multijob is a rare machine though I've not had a parts problem. One of the considerations when purchasing it was that it was well built and components like the Deutz engine, name brand hydraulic components and axles had parts that were available from multiple sources.
I have three JCB 1CX machines and although they're not a massive volume seller they have been around a while and most models share common parts. As JCB has a big sales volume in Australia, especially with its backhoes, as well as the official JCB source we have a third party provider of JCB parts at reasonable prices and high stock levels. They are also very knowledgeable and helpful which can be uncommon, and also supply secondhand parts from machines they dismantle.
While Volvo had a good backhoe a few years back, I'd hate to be relying on parts for a discontinued machine into the future. However I can get parts for my 27 year old 1CX with no problems.
And before someone points out my contradiction, yes my Haulotte Multijob is a rare machine though I've not had a parts problem. One of the considerations when purchasing it was that it was well built and components like the Deutz engine, name brand hydraulic components and axles had parts that were available from multiple sources.
JD450A
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Poster child gets the service
hiluxman
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You can get a cat 434 which is basically a 432 with equal tyres and 3cx comparison.
The cat 444 is the 4cx equivalent.
hiluxman
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Diff lock been standard on cats since around 96 on some of the old 428c I used to drive, can't comment on b series as I've never been in one.
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