Anyone got "previous" dealing with UKPN?

[Monkeybusiness]

The pole location might be tricky to prove.

The wayleave and easement thing... is that just applicable to the pole, or both pole and line. (ie. if poles aren't on your property but line passes over, do they still have to get permission?)

As far as I’m aware it’s the location of the poles (and mounted apparatus). Who owns the land the pole is on if not you?
I’d claim it as yours and let UKPN prove otherwise - tell them the pole needs removing from your land within 14 days or you’ll have it ready for them to collect…

 

[V8Druid]

As far as I’m aware it’s the location of the poles (and mounted apparatus). Who owns the land the pole is on if not you?
I’d claim it as yours and let UKPN prove otherwise - tell them the pole needs removing from your land within 14 days or you’ll have it ready for them to collect…

good Q

 

[Al_1977]

As far as I’m aware it’s the location of the poles (and mounted apparatus). Who owns the land the pole is on if not you?
I’d claim it as yours and let UKPN prove otherwise - tell them the pole needs removing from your land within 14 days or you’ll have it ready for them to collect…

...as simple as that?

Then on day 15, stretch the ham strings... spark the Stihl up, and make sure I'm heading the other direction?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

...as simple as that?

Then on day 15, stretch the ham strings... spark the Stihl up, and make sure I'm heading the other direction?

Make sure you film it - 11Kv makes a big old flash when it crosses over!!!

 

[JD450A]

Personally you need to get there surveyor out, have a proper discussion like a adult regarding the fact it's just a liability (either a shed has been built under a OHL or a OHL has been strung over a shed).

Chances are both you and them are better off with the shed gone. Chances also are if you speak to them nicely they might have a planned shutdown at some point you could take the shed down during.

But when you start acting like your 10 and getting Stampy feet they are unlikely to help.

If they are unaccommodating point out if the shed collapses on there pole there is going to be issues and you won't be held responsible for the damage as you could not remedy the situation to make it safe.


Just my penneth.

 

[GazCro]

Personally you need to get there surveyor out, have a proper discussion like a adult regarding the fact it's just a liability (either a shed has been built under a OHL or a OHL has been strung over a shed).

Chances are both you and them are better off with the shed gone. Chances also are if you speak to them nicely they might have a planned shutdown at some point you could take the shed down during.

But when you start acting like your 10 and getting Stampy feet they are unlikely to help.

If they are unaccommodating point out if the shed collapses on there pole there is going to be issues and you won't be held responsible for the damage as you could not remedy the situation to make it safe.


Just my penneth.

Another point to add, unless you owned the land when the pole was put up (and I mean in your name not your great grandfathers) as far as legalities goes it was already there and had been for some time so probably has a right to be there.

 

[V8Druid]

I'm with Rory on this ..... sensible communication will get you further than Charlie chainsaw ever will

 

[Monkeybusiness]

I'm with Rory on this ..... sensible communication will get you further than Charlie chainsaw ever will

Won’t be resolved as quickly though…

 

[V8Druid]

Another point to add, unless you owned the land when the pole was put up (and I mean in your name not your great grandfathers) as far as legalities goes it was already there and had been for some time so probably has a right to be there.

still needs a way leave agreement, with payment annually though, unless they can come up with paperwork stating a fixed lump sum was paid to cover a set number of years.
As I say, negotiation will get you way further than anything else.

 

[GazCro]

I'm with Rory on this ..... sensible communication will get you further than Charlie chainsaw ever will

100% this, as a rule they are pretty good to deal with as long as you set your stall out right to begin with. They have more right to access land and property than a lot of people realise but choose not to go about it that way, don't make them.

 

[V8Druid]

Won’t be resolved as quickly though…

agreed, but won't end in court either .... the whole crux of this issue is establishing the ownership of the ground on which it stands and looking at its proximity to the said shed, it's a fair bet that it's either on OP's ground ... or his shed might be encroaching on a.n.other's property?
OR
the boundary is exactly between them both .... needs very careful assessment of title plans, possibly by a professional ?

 

[GazCro]

agreed, but won't end in court either .... the whole crux of this issue is establishing the ownership of the ground on which it stands and looking at its proximity to the said shed, it's a fair bet that it's either on OP's ground ... or his shed might be encroaching on a.n.other's property?
OR
the boundary is exactly between them both .... needs very careful assessment of title plans, possibly by a professional ?

Which translates as be nice and try and sort it without the need for solicitors etc and costing you money.
Unless of course you've got plenty and in which case you might as well give me some as waste it.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Whilst were on the topic did you see size of the enwl stand at Westmorland show Gaz? Must have money to burn

 

[JD450A]

FYI it's all covered by the utilities act 2000.... Said act basically gives a utility worker a right to survey wherever the f**k they want without permission and if they have infastructure there they can basically drive a tank across your lawn to access it...... They are obliged to reinstate damage but can be as wank as you want to be back....

From memory the act also gives the nuclear option to the supply board to basically compulsory purchase land of needed, so it's best to be a little careful.

Telecoms In particular has some very very serious laws and potential prison terms for tampering with equipment too.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

I had a very similar situation with SPEN with a transformer pole on my boundary (supplying a 3rd party, no benefit to me).
There was no wayleave or easement in place - I’d applied to the network operator when we first moved in and had all of their paperwork sat awaiting my signature, but had left it ‘open’ and never sent anything back. They had clearly agreed that the apparatus was on my land though.
Fast forward a couple of years and I’d been in discussions with them about getting the pole moved and a new connection for me from it to feed a new shed. Things moved glacially so we ended up erecting the steel frame (it was about 1.5m from the 11Kv conductors) and got them out for a site meeting.
They insisted that we stopped working on the building, I suggested (politely) that they remove their apparatus off my land ASAP, things moved up a few gears and they shifted the pole and sorted my new connection soon-after.
It’s definitely worth keeping everything polite and amicable, but very important to set out your stall early on, don’t get bulldozed into submission by them, don’t accept ‘Computer says no’, and realise you are holding a decent trump card if their apparatus is on your land without any formal agreement in place.

 

[GazCro]

Whilst were on the topic did you see size of the enwl stand at Westmorland show Gaz? Must have money to burn

Never got a look there tbh, although I've seen them elsewhere. Tbh I don't know why they need to have a trade stand anywhere, it's not like you have much choice about using them if you need mains leccy work doing in their area.

 

[JD450A]

Never got a look there tbh, although I've seen them elsewhere. Tbh I don't know why they need to have a trade stand anywhere, it's not like you have much choice about using them if you need mains leccy work doing in their area.

Fyi they tend to hand out a s**t ton of goodies and it's generally a VERY good way of contacting people in situations like these. Won't be joe bloggs on the stand in general and they are keen to be forward facing and cheery.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Never got a look there tbh, although I've seen them elsewhere. Tbh I don't know why they need to have a trade stand anywhere, it's not like you have much choice about using them if you need mains leccy work doing in their area.

I didn't go but they were showing off on twitter etc about it. Had virtually every fancy bit of kit there plus a complete pole setup .

 

[Lancs Lad]

Fyi they tend to hand out a s**t ton of goodies and it's generally a VERY good way of contacting people in situations like these. Won't be joe bloggs on the stand in general and they are keen to be forward facing and cheery.

Yeah but I think you'll find there's a lot of folk who'd quite like jobs sorting and stuff doing and yet there they are farting about at the county show...

 

[GazCro]

Fyi they tend to hand out a s**t ton of goodies and it's generally a VERY good way of contacting people in situations like these. Won't be joe bloggs on the stand in general and they are keen to be forward facing and cheery.

Fyi they tend to hand out a s**t ton of goodies and it's generally a VERY good way of contacting people in situations like these. Won't be joe bloggs on the stand in general and they are keen to be forward facing and cheery.

Oh well if i have any issues arise I've only 11 months to wait