7.5ton back on a car licence 🤔

[Big Jordy]

Crowd I used to work for had a fleet of 8 wheelers and 6 wheels all with vbg/rockinger hitch’s fitted and all 44ton gross train. They had 4x 3 axle Thompson drag low loaders, 6.5 ton each full width hydraulic rear ramp on each.
We hauled every bit of kit they had on them spreaders three pin rollers dual drum rollers planers diggers absolutely everything, not 100 percent sure but think a wagon and drag is good for 18.75meters long. And we took them on some hairy little roads. Would happily say I’d rather drive a wagon and drag than an artic. I’ll see if I can find any pictures.

Jordan

 

[pettsy]

an art form in its own right, putting them where you want them

Watching him reverse was amazing, like double opposite what direction you wanted it to go.

 

[V8Druid]

Watching him reverse was amazing, like double opposite what direction you wanted it to go.

place I worked, 1980 had a solid tyre-ed turntable bogey trailer for handling the big (15-20t) rolls into the shop and onto the big Poreba lathe .... was a lot easier handling it behind their 4t FLT (rear steer ) than behind a truck would be

 

[Smiffy]

The problem with the tippers that will carry over 19t is the bodies are fine for aggregate but you wouldn't want to start putting concrete in there. They just won't last.
So depends on the material you want to carry.

In NZ all the agricultural contractors in the south island run 8 wheel tippers. They have removable sides so can run as flat decks. Short sides for grain and fertilizer and a bolt on box for silage. All with ring feeder hitches towing a trailer set up the same.

An 8 wheel tipper is capable of towing a 13 tonner but not with full load on.

Veolia run bulkers carrying sewage sludge and move their own Volvo ec140 around behind them.

Likewise Seaford digger hire has a lovely 18tonner that he moves his 13 tonner with

 

[Furniss]

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I had the same 7.5t truck (but hookloader) ran it for maybe 3 years ....nice enough to drive and I may have got unlucky with it but but I would look at the other brands.

 

[Smiffy]

I had the same 7.5t truck (but hookloader) ran it for maybe 3 years ....nice enough to drive and I may have got unlucky with it but but I would look at the other brands.

And if you have to take the test anyway this is the same lorry but will carry a fair bit more weight as it's 10t

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[TiltyShaun]

A friend of mine ran a 6wheel foden tipper with a turntable drag for years. Could get it places you wouldn’t fit an artic but carry same (handy for split loads too!)

I’m sure a local tarmac contractor to me runs an 8 wheeler with a close coupled trailer.

Many years ago my Dad drove trucks with turntable drags.
I seem to think the turntable follows in pretty much the same footprint as the lead truck when driving forwards. So you don’t “worry” if the trailer is going to cut in like a traditional hitch.
Or it could simply be my Dad didn’t care!!!

 

[JD450A]

Many years ago my Dad drove trucks with turntable drags.
I seem to think the turntable follows in pretty much the same footprint as the lead truck when driving forwards. So you don’t “worry” if the trailer is going to cut in like a traditional hitch.
Or it could simply be my Dad didn’t care!!!

Depends on the length of the trailer. In general they cut tighter. But reversing they can be scowed off at serious angles, even so it's besides the truck if your skilled and the drawbar is long enough.

 

[Smiffy]

Many years ago my Dad drove trucks with turntable drags.
I seem to think the turntable follows in pretty much the same footprint as the lead truck when driving forwards. So you don’t “worry” if the trailer is going to cut in like a traditional hitch.
Or it could simply be my Dad didn’t care!!!

A well setup drawbar trailer even without the turntable follows much better than an arctic. It's why a lot of training firms use them as they are easier to drive.

 

[Justme]

Doesn’t that depend on the trailer being under a certain unladen weight??

That exemptions depends on the use.
For Hire & reward you still do.

 

[Justme]

So to clarify buying a 7.5t lorry and tow 3.5t on trailer can you answer all the following:-
1.Driving Licence required?
2.Tacho req?
3. Subject to individual vehicles gross train weight approx?
4. Do I req an O licence if 1 of my guys was using the lorry for transporting our own gear?
5. As no 4 but say collecting type 1 for a job that we were carrying out?

1.Driving Licence required? Minimum C1E or CE
2.Tacho req? Possibly dep on use
3. Subject to individual vehicles gross train weight approx? Not sure what you mean.
4. Do I req an O licence if 1 of my guys was using the lorry for transporting our own gear? Yes.
5. As no 4 but say collecting type 1 for a job that we were carrying out? Yes.

Read up on the tacho exemptions here
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers...ns-and-derogations#exemptions-and-derogations

and the O licence exemptions here

Goods vehicle operator licensing guide

Overview of the vehicle operator licensing system.

www.gov.uk

 

[Giles]

Surely as soon as you start carrying anything on it the drive on a car license doesn’t apply

 

[hiluxman]

Surely as soon as you start carrying anting on it the drive on a car license doesn’t apply

Used to belong to a local lad

 

[Lancs Lad]

Surely as soon as you start carrying anting on it the drive on a car license doesn’t apply

That's a handy tool...but bit of a vosa magnet ?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Many years ago my Dad drove trucks with turntable drags.
I seem to think the turntable follows in pretty much the same footprint as the lead truck when driving forwards. So you don’t “worry” if the trailer is going to cut in like a traditional hitch.
Or it could simply be my Dad didn’t care!!!

Ozzy road trains are multiple combinations of turntable drags, with the drawbar geometry set up to make the trailers follow each other’s track.
When I was in Aus they also had tippers towing turntable tipper trailers (they call them dog trailers) - they would tip the truck’s load without disconnecting the trailer’s drawbar.
Like this

 

[V8Druid]

Surely as soon as you start carrying anything on it the drive on a car license doesn’t apply

no question .. becomes a goods vehicle the moment it receives a load, on the road ... on site - do what you like .... just means it can be driven between 'sites', much like a duck/dumper, but without a trailer

 

[6feetdown]

And if you have to take the test anyway this is the same lorry but will carry a fair bit more weight as it's 10t

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Nice size that, I'm OK I can do 7.5t but not tow over the basic with that licence

 

[V8Druid]

Nice size that, I'm OK I can do 7.5t but not tow over the basic with that licence

750kgs

 

[Smiffy]

Nice size that, I'm OK I can do 7.5t but not tow over the basic with that licence

Fair wedge more money but their is this option. Would carry a 2.7t machine and attachments on the back

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[Justme]

Surely as soon as you start carrying anything on it the drive on a car license doesn’t apply

Most adverts like that are at best misleading & at worst just plain wrong.

Its the use that defines if it needs a higher licence or not, not just what it is registered as.