4x4 pickups or iveco's that will tow 3.5 ton

[Antony Holmes]

they were yanking your chain .... there's a maximum elapsed period in which to issue a summons (or written caution) .... vindictive sods'll have you sweating for a year

when all said and done I had been running overloaded for nearly 5 years so I will look at it as rent for that, no point sweating about it, the way I look at it I have mitigated the situation as soon as I was informed that's got to be worth something if it goes to court

 

[Antony Holmes]

Is it not six months from the offence to issue summons?

12 months been extended due to covid

 

[V8Druid]

Is it not six months from the offence to issue summons?

used to be 14 days .... @Routy56 ??

 

[Routy56]

used to be 14 days .... @Routy56 ??

14 days applies for NIPs to be served for the 5 relevant offences and it’s not this overweight offence
The limitation of proceedings on most traffic offences is 6 months.
Mind you it’s been an aweful long time since I was a Traffic Police Officer

 

[CPS]

14 days applies for NIPs to be served for the 5 relevant offences and it’s not this overweight offence
The limitation of proceedings on most traffic offences is 6 months.
Mind you it’s been an aweful long time since I was a Traffic Police Officer

Its OK Tony..... routy's going to make a few calls on Monday and sort it out for you

 

[fred]

Don’t you have to get an operators O licence once moving above 3.5 tons ? World or paperwork and hassle

 

[Antony Holmes]

Don’t you have to get an operators O licence once moving above 3.5 tons ? World or paperwork and hassle

not as far as I can see it is up rating the truck so that it will carry 1400kg and it allows the goss train weight to be 7000kg so will be the same as a 110 defender.

 

[Routy56]

Its OK Tony..... routy's going to make a few calls on Monday and sort it out for you

Not unless Tony is a Brother Freemason
Seriously though, it's been over 11 years since retired from the Police after 30 years of service.
People still ask for advice, like I would know
Many regular police officers get in a 'mucking fuddle' with weighing offences whilst other 'fcuk up' the paperwork.
@Antony Holmes - Tony you may have got away with it.
This is a great case study for us all with pick up trucks, me included.
You are doing all the right things buddy

 

[fred]

not as far as I can see it is up rating the truck so that it will carry 1400kg and it allows the goss train weight to be 7000kg so will be the same as a 110 defender.

ah so the truck is still 3.5 tonner max ?

 

[V8Druid]

ah so the truck is still 3.5 tonner max ?

3.5 is all you can tow legally without plating anyway..anything bigger needs to be plated and have powered brakes (air/leccy -- not over-run)

 

[fred]

3.5 is all you can tow legally without plating anyway..anything bigger needs to be plated and have powered brakes (air/leccy -- not over-run)

not necessarily, depends on the plated train weight. Mini artics!!

 

[Antony Holmes]

ah so the truck is still 3.5 tonner max ?

yes but at least I carry some tools ect in the truck at gtw of 6000 kg you would be surprised how little you can carry I was at 6700kg and could have saved a bit but would struggle to lose 700kg and I dint have a wacker or heavy materials

 

[fred]

well got a pull yesterday by our friends in blue " best follow us to the weigh bridge" well to cut a long story I was over weight to be fair my Kx27-4 with 3 buckets grab land rake and breaker just to say Isuzu d-max maxim train weight of 6000kg dose not give you a lot to play with this was one of the days only a few tools in the van no wacker or generator no cement or bags of sand the moral of this story is to be a wear of the weight of my kit. may be time to change my truck.

parkers mention that all the d-max apart from the very basic entry model can tow 3.5 tons already ? It has a respectable 1.2 ton capacity on the truck as well albeit 500kg short of a normal 3.5 ton van.

Isuzu D-Max pickup dimensions (2012-2020), capacity, payload, volume, towing

Isuzu D-Max dimensions and specs from Parkers Vans and Pickups - capacity, height, length, width, towing weight, engine specs and more

www.parkers.co.uk

The gov really needs to address the small van sector and up the limit to 7 tons + 3.5tonn trailer with no more paperwork. They are going to have to do it for electric vans anyway sooner or later.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

parkers mention that all the d-max apart from the very basic entry model can tow 3.5 tons already ? It has a respectable 1.2 ton capacity on the truck as well

Not both at the same time though as the towing weight eats into the load capacity.

 

[GazCro]

The towing capacity and train weight of pickups is actually set by the manufacturer. Payload on the back has to be over a ton to qualify as a commercial vehicle so they are forced on that one, but I'm sure towing weights are their own doing. The reason the train weights aren't increased with the towing weight is because the manufacturer doesn't want them running round at 7 ton train and to have to deal with a heap more warranty work. Its allegedly why Toyota sales used to quote hilux at 2.4 ton towing when it was actually 2.8 ton.

 

[Antony Holmes]

Not both at the same time though as the towing weight eats into the load capacity.

and that was my problem I can move the digger on the trailer but once you put a tool box a couple of shovels ect in the truck you are over weight hope fully this upgrade will help sort that

 

[Brendan]

Don’t you have to get an operators O licence once moving above 3.5 tons ? World or paperwork and hassle

No operators license needed if the trailer is under 1020kg unladen weight or if the vehicle towing is classed as dual purpose vehicle - which only a few of the 3.5t tow capacity pickups are these days. I'm sure it's only the dmax, Navara and l200 although l200 has to have a Tri axle trailer to do so.

Only thing would be tacho rules if outside 60 mile radius or hire and reward

 

[Brendan]

so for an up date still no summons but to be fair our friends in blue did warn me it could be a year so;
after the conversation with the lorry body builder re up grading my d-max a few things to do 1.down load form change tow bar only one in the uk is type approved for up rating £250.00 supply only. I had already ordered HD springs from midland springs £300.00 but also need to add air assist another £800.00 just have to check tyres are up to spec take a load of photos of work carried out fill the form out and email back to dvsa apparently I may need to take to lorry mot station to prove work done and that should be that hopefully 7000kg gross weight.
if the dealer had told me this when I bought it, it would have been done from new. the truck now drives better than it did. the moral of this story is don't believe a thing that reps tell you do the home work.

So it can all be retro fitted yourself?
Really should do mine as I'm always at the limit.
What air assist kit did you use?

 

[V8Druid]

not necessarily, depends on the plated train weight. Mini artics!!

do not have over-run braking ... 3.5t is the limit for over run systems

 

[Antony Holmes]

So it can all be retro fitted yourself?
Really should do mine as I'm always at the limit.
What air assist kit did you use?

below are the full details I was given by a firm that up grades them for the arb industry

As discussed, to uprate your d-Max Double cab pickup to 3,500kgs GVW & 7,000kgs GTW, you will need the following:

1. Arrange fitment of VB Base Airbag Rear suspension kit. There is a national dealer network for VB Air suspension and he should be able to contact his local dealer to arrange a quotation to supply & fit this to his D-Max – we normally charge circa 500 + VAT to do this. The part number for the base kit is 1551314200

VB Air Suspension list of UK dealers - https://www.vbairsuspension.co.uk/en/page/dealers/list.html

1. He will also need to arrange for fitment of an uprated tow-bar that is part of the requirements for the upgrade – he can purchase this direct from the supplier who will ship to a destination of his choice – the uprated tow-bar is manufactured and supplied by Towtrust tow-bars and the actual pat number he requires is TIZ1H and these are 250 + VAT to us

https://www.tow-trust.co.uk/towbars...-height-adjustable-towbar-made-to-order/2012>

1. Once the above is complete I would then need quite a lot of specific detail from his vehicle (e,g. tyre size, registration number, chassis number, etc) and also specifically photos of the following:

• Photo of whole vehicle with registration number clearly visible
• Photo of uprated towbar fitted to vehicle
• Close up of uprated towbar fitted to vehicle
• Photo of VIN plate with chassis number clearly visible
• Photo of wheel and tuyre with tyre details (size, etc) clearly visible

We would go through this detail with you and complete all the uprate submission paperwork and then we would need the original log book from you to ultimately complete the uprate process. The cost of the uprate submission is 450 + VAT

i have had tow bar change this week to the one listed above and it is some piece of kit compared to the standard one, with Hight adjustment built in.
i went for the air bags with built in compressor bit more money but i am only doing the job once.
wish me luck with the paperwork an I will keep you all informed