Plant trailer tyre woes

[Giles]

I’ve a big batesons 6x12ft twin axle plant trailer, suffering with the rural roads and farm tracks with ruining wheels. When fully up with 3.5 ton and before anyone says I’m driving like a vicar avoiding everything and only crawling on the rough tracks. So frustrating.

so options are buy an ifor gh146 triaxle for £4.6k from Barlow or hfb on the bigger sarveo 13 tyres like my ifor tipper. Or batesons do me one for £3.2k in smaller 10x5 size so it’s not sticking out past the pickup truck but 3 ton dumper won’t fit on, keep other one just for d

or can I upgrade the wheels/tyres on my batesons or is triaxle only way to go when fully up and pot holed lanes.

edit:

simon Bateson says no point going triaxle just scrub more and he recommended trying the spare off my ifor with the savero tyres and he thinks they should fit.

savero and wheels are about 120 each or £82 for tyres

running at 90 psi as well on the smaller wheels

 

[doobin]

Savero and wheels were about £90 inc VAT last time I bought, not that long ago. I'd try them first.

I have no problem running at 3.5t on rough roads with my GH1054

The main problem I find with the larger trailers is that it is much easier to clip kerbs etc- are you sure it's not this?

 

[Giles]

Savero and wheels were about £90 inc VAT last time I bought, not that long ago. I'd try them first.

I have no problem running at 3.5t on rough roads with my GH1054

The main problem I find with the larger trailers is that it is much easier to clip kerbs etc- are you sure it's not this?

That has happened in the past but literally not a kerb in sight on the 15 mile run this morning, no kerbs on the back roads just grass verge but it is very wide.

 

[Giles]

Savero and wheels were about £90 inc VAT last time I bought, not that long ago. I'd try them first.

I have no problem running at 3.5t on rough roads with my GH1054

The main problem I find with the larger trailers is that it is much easier to clip kerbs etc- are you sure it's not this?

was that online or local supplier?

 

[doobin]

was that online or local supplier?

ebay.

 

[GazCro]

Savero and wheels were about £90 inc VAT last time I bought, not that long ago. I'd try them first.

I have no problem running at 3.5t on rough roads with my GH1054

The main problem I find with the larger trailers is that it is much easier to clip kerbs etc- are you sure it's not this?

Not just kerbs, rough tarmac at road edges, stones on verge edges/hedge bottoms as you say it's easy done.

 

[Giles]

just order 5 for 450 inc vat

narrower trailer would help though forgives any concentration lapses or people on other side rd with no idea of road position

 

[Smiffy]

What about the GP ifor plant trailer
They can go up to 16in rims and tyres shouldn't be to dear as I think they are standard transit tyres

 

[Justme]

Your not going to like this but,

What ever you buy your going to have the same issue till you stop driving in the gutter

Bet all the damage is near side?

Bigger side walls tyres will help stop rim damage but tyres will still be damaged internally & you wont know till it blows out.

 

[Giles]

Your not going to like this but,

What ever you buy your going to have the same issue till you stop driving in the gutter

Bet all the damage is near side?

Bigger side walls tyres will help stop rim damage but tyres will still be damaged internally & you wont know till it blows out.

Off side actually

but these are single track lanes so it’s almost irrelevant

 

[Smiffy]

Your not going to like this but,

What ever you buy your going to have the same issue till you stop driving in the gutter

Bet all the damage is near side?

Bigger side walls tyres will help stop rim damage but tyres will still be damaged internally & you wont know till it blows out.

Thats only half true.
Your only thinking in one dimension. When going up a size it isn't only the height of the sidewall increasing but the surface area. That means there is far more material to flex and the likelihood of it pinching when hitting an obstacle is greatly reduced.
Especially if you went up to 16in rims.
It also increases the surface area in contact with the ground reducing stress on the tyre. Bigger tyres are well proven to incur less stress then smaller ones.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Thats only half true.
Your only thinking in one dimension. When going up a size it isn't only the height of the sidewall increasing but the surface area. That means there is far more material to flex and the likelihood of it pinching when hitting an obstacle is greatly reduced.
Especially if you went up to 16in rims.
It also increases the surface area in contact with the ground reducing stress on the tyre. Bigger tyres are well proven to incur less stress then smaller ones.

Exactly.

 

[DaveDCB]

Everything is just crap these days, monkey metal and tyres made as cheap as possible!

The new wheels on my dump trailer are already rusting through the paint, they will be fully orange within 12months!
New bike has motor problems and guarding was snapped from new.
New car has crap under the paint which has already gone through the lacquer!(only door handle so no biggie!)
No one give a damn anymore! (rant over)

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Savero aren’t entirely faultless (as I found out on the M6 last night…)
In fairness the blowout was in a tyre with a slow puncture - I pushed on too far without topping it up.

 

[Bri963]

Your not going to like this but,

What ever you buy your going to have the same issue till you stop driving in the gutter

Bet all the damage is near side?

Bigger side walls tyres will help stop rim damage but tyres will still be damaged internally & you wont know till it blows out.

Nothing a good trailer training course wouldn’t put right.

 

[Furniss]

Everything is just crap these days, monkey metal and tyres made as cheap as possible!

The new wheels on my dump trailer are already rusting through the paint, they will be fully orange within 12months!
New bike has motor problems and guarding was snapped from new.
New car has crap under the paint which has already gone through the lacquer!(only door handle so no biggie!)
No one give a damn anymore! (rant over)

New bike
Isn't a BMW is it ..... a friend in uk had one fs800 twin (I think) they took it back cos they couldn't sort it
Might as well get a KTM like me ... at least you know your in for trouble , free dog and all that.

 

[Justme]

Nothing a good trailer training course wouldn’t put right.

You will struggle to get one now.

 

[Justme]

Thats only half true.
Your only thinking in one dimension. When going up a size it isn't only the height of the sidewall increasing but the surface area. That means there is far more material to flex and the likelihood of it pinching when hitting an obstacle is greatly reduced.
Especially if you went up to 16in rims.
It also increases the surface area in contact with the ground reducing stress on the tyre. Bigger tyres are well proven to incur less stress then smaller ones.

True but if the impact is doing that to the metal rim then 3500kg type trailer tyres wont have much of a chance.

Go up to tractor / HGV sizes & your 100% right.

Changing wheels / tyre is only putting a plaster on the severed artery.
The true fix is to stop the wheel hitting things.
Narrower trailer, wheels under the bed, choosing better driving lines, different tow vehicle ergonomics, reduced speed, different routes and loads more.
Possibly even changing to a larger vehicle & not towing at all.
Ok I know some wont be possible but if this is a regular problem then even better wheel / tyre combos wont stop it, it will just reduce it.

 

[Smiffy]

True but if the impact is doing that to the metal rim then 3500kg type trailer tyres wont have much of a chance.

Go up to tractor / HGV sizes & your 100% right.

Changing wheels / tyre is only putting a plaster on the severed artery.
The true fix is to stop the wheel hitting things.
Narrower trailer, wheels under the bed, choosing better driving lines, different tow vehicle ergonomics, reduced speed, different routes and loads more.
Possibly even changing to a larger vehicle & not towing at all.
Ok I know some wont be possible but if this is a regular problem then even better wheel / tyre combos wont stop it, it will just reduce it.

That's why I suggested the GP series as they run on transit size tyres.
But there is still a significant difference between the sizes of tyres you can run on the gx series ifors

 

[Monkeybusiness]

@Giles - if you do change to the Savero tyres (which are brilliant in my experience - we have very few trailer tyre issues on anything fitted with them) just make sure you fit them the correct way around. They have a thicker sidewall on one side to help protect from kerb damage etc - I’ve bought made-up wheel/tyre combos before now and some tyres were fitted backwards.