Electric vehicles

[Routy56]

been trying to get back to this all evening Dave ..... the no tax on these really bugs me ..... zero VED cos you can do 30 miles on yer batteries.
Anyone who forked out £1500-2k to convert their vehicle to LPG, in order to get the same zero VED had to completely remove the fuel tank AND the fuel system AND have it inspected and cert.ed as such ..... that's a really fair incentive, eh? .....
no one spending that wedge is going to voluntarily continue to run petrol regularly ...
it was a massive disincentive to encouraging LPG use ....
and with mere lip service initially paid by HMG toward encouraging its use and then further disincentivising roll out, by slashing all the tax concessions on the fuel, it's no wonder it died a death ......
an LPG fuelled vehicle is far, far cleaner than yer leccy chariot .. taking into account the C footprint producing all that leccy creates ---- and we won't even mention the C footprint of battery production.

Yes agree with all that Gra
Back in the day (early 2000s) I had a Ford Scorpio Ultima 2.9 which I converted to LPG
This was when it was about 30p/litre. Did over 100k over about 7 years. Armchair comfort for small car economy
Oil changes were as clean as it went in
No incentives to do it now. Only a few filling stations left and it now at about 69p/litre
But I wish I’d kept the Scorpio. The buyer drove it to Scotland and absolutely loved it

 

[GazCro]

Yes agree with all that Gra
Back in the day (early 2000s) I had a Ford Scorpio Ultima 2.9 which I converted to LPG
This was when it was about 30p/litre. Did over 100k over about 7 years. Armchair comfort for small car economy
Oil changes were as clean as it went in
No incentives to do it now. Only a few filling stations left and it now at about 69p/litre
But I wish I’d kept the Scorpio. The buyer drove it to Scotland and absolutely loved it

I think you two are both barking up the wrong tree here. Leccy and hybrids pay nill road tax as they are greener/less polluting and helps the govt towards meeting their own targets so in a way its not nil tax but govt subsidised. You didn't convert to lpg to save the planet you did it because you were running ancient tech gas guzzlers you couldn't pour juice in fast enough with a bucket and were looking for cheap fuel.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

What sort of battery warranty is offered with these new cars?

 

[Regy53]

What sort of battery warranty is offered with these new cars?

Skoda was 8 years
Audi is 10 i think

 

[Jimoz]

My uncle's got a 10 yr old prius realistic range is lot lower than new. Also of put the heaters on it destroys the range

 

[Lancs Lad]

My uncle's got a 10 yr old prius realistic range is lot lower than new. Also of put the heaters on it destroys the range

Deliveroo driver?

 

[V8Druid]

Yes agree with all that Gra
Back in the day (early 2000s) I had a Ford Scorpio Ultima 2.9 which I converted to LPG
This was when it was about 30p/litre. Did over 100k over about 7 years. Armchair comfort for small car economy
Oil changes were as clean as it went in
No incentives to do it now. Only a few filling stations left and it now at about 69p/litre
But I wish I’d kept the Scorpio. The buyer drove it to Scotland and absolutely loved it

yeh, I had a top line Scorpio too .... lovely motor .... and yes HMG paid token lip service to the promotion of LPG at great prices and then shat on everyone. If they'd been serious about it there wouldn't have been so many obstacles put in the path of its wider adoption !!

I think you two are both barking up the wrong tree here. Leccy and hybrids pay nill road tax as they are greener/less polluting and helps the govt towards meeting their own targets so in a way its not nil tax but govt subsidised. You didn't convert to lpg to save the planet you did it because you were running ancient tech gas guzzlers you couldn't pour juice in fast enough with a bucket and were looking for cheap fuel.

so was LPG Gaz .... 'swhy LPG FLTs were able to be used indoors and in food processing plants ... could breathe around them

if hybrids are nil VED anything running LPG should've been the same .. but wasn't without huge hoops to jump through ..

LPG converted vehicles are essentially hybrids too, 'cept they spend the largest proportion of their time on the greener fuel, unlike the paltry 30 miles the leccy hybrid can.

as for gas guzzlers .. yeh people converted them for the comfort, etc. they gave, running at 'fiesta' type running costs. Could equally run a 'fiesta' on LPG and have the running costs of a roller skate .. why bother though?

Most conversions were far from ancient though Gaz ... my P38 was done at 6 mths old and a lot of manufacturers (Ford, Vauxhaul, etc.) were, or starting to, offer it from factory ... and then HMG dumped on the industry and it got abandoned ..... interestingly, Daewoo have just started offering factory LPG fits for their Dusters .. and on small capacity motors.
The calorific value of LPG is much higher than conventional petrol / diesel fuels, massively cleaner burning and a lot more efficient.
It's also a by-product which the refineries were having to pay a levy against to burn off excesses, ...or dispose of it elsewhere.
Spain / Portugal were big adopters and the oil co.s were shipping it out there by the tanker boat load at a penny a litre or less, when the home market was getting charged 35p/ltr. If HMG had been serious about promoting its adoption, the home market would've consumed all they could've produced, instead of wallowing in uncertainty about HMG's attitudes towards the whole thing

in 2001/2, I was selling 6000+ litres a week and was one of four outlets within 5-6 mile radius ... it was circa 25p/ltr ....

 

[Lancs Lad]

Yes, tbh I have had a few nice cars in my time but I always came back to my trusty ranges , I have had one 4 years now out of 5, my man math seemed silly but incredibly it made sense purely from tax, 100 quid a month net spend. I would love a pick up but there to bouncy for me and I really wouldn’t use it for it’s intended purpose. I did buy a 2020 Dodge Ram but decided it wasn’t for me. Lovely car though View attachment 25732

The chev is actually fine though , not a daily. And look at what you got in the late 80s . A light on a wind up wire in the engine bay View attachment 25733View attachment 25734

What did you do with the Ram?

 

[V8Druid]

What did you do with the Ram?

grinned from behind the wheel

 

[Lancs Lad]

Daewoo have just started offering factory LPG fits for their Dusters

 

[Regy53]

What did you do with the Ram?

she went, diddnt take long. So few around.

Lovely truck though, if you needed a truck as a daily its ideal.

 

[Lancs Lad]

she went, diddnt take long. So few around.

Lovely truck though, if you needed a truck as a daily its ideal.

Really fancied a F150 but ...the lanes round here and trying to park it

 

[V8Druid]

that should've been Dacia, not Daewoo .... Czech Renaults and fast becoming respected in their own right ....

 

[Lancs Lad]

Climate change: Will UK mining drive a green revolution?

Mining returns to the UK as the green revolution drives the need for more minerals and metals.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Smiffy]

What sort of battery warranty is offered with these new cars?

I don't think battery warranty is the important factor anymore.
Go to your nearest auto recyclers and see the rows of 5 -10 year old cars parked up. No damage just unfathomable electrical problems, mostly really stupid yellow light on the dashboard problems but to diagnose and repair is not cost effective.
What the government really need to do is push car company's to extend the life of there cars. Regardless of propulsion method.
People will say the car company's will loose out but if done correctly they would actually gain so shouldn't be to worried about it, the only current problem is the general public's wish for new vehicle which should really be curtailed.
Seeing as most vehicles now are on pcp if the vehicles where engineered to a longer life and the any extra expense would be covered from the longer term of the pcp
If the correct point was reached the extra production cost of the car would be less than the extra income bought in by the extended pcp term. Couple this with the car company's collecting the same monthly rate but without actually producing another vehicle so if you could double the length of the contracts the car manufacturers would be saving the production cost a a vehicle

 

[GazCro]

I don't think battery warranty is the important factor anymore.
Go to your nearest auto recyclers and see the rows of 5 -10 year old cars parked up. No damage just unfathomable electrical problems, mostly really stupid yellow light on the dashboard problems but to diagnose and repair is not cost effective.
What the government really need to do is push car company's to extend the life of there cars. Regardless of propulsion method.
People will say the car company's will loose out but if done correctly they would actually gain so shouldn't be to worried about it, the only current problem is the general public's wish for new vehicle which should really be curtailed.
Seeing as most vehicles now are on pcp if the vehicles where engineered to a longer life and the any extra expense would be covered from the longer term of the pcp
If the correct point was reached the extra production cost of the car would be less than the extra income bought in by the extended pcp term. Couple this with the car company's collecting the same monthly rate but without actually producing another vehicle so if you could double the length of the contracts the car manufacturers would be saving the production cost a a vehicle

But on the other hand if vehicles only have a 5 to 10 year lifespan it keeps higher emission cars off the road and also moves more money round the economy.

 

[Lancs Lad]

I don't think battery warranty is the important factor anymore.
Go to your nearest auto recyclers and see the rows of 5 -10 year old cars parked up. No damage just unfathomable electrical problems, mostly really stupid yellow light on the dashboard problems but to diagnose and repair is not cost effective.
What the government really need to do is push car company's to extend the life of there cars. Regardless of propulsion method.
People will say the car company's will loose out but if done correctly they would actually gain so shouldn't be to worried about it, the only current problem is the general public's wish for new vehicle which should really be curtailed.
Seeing as most vehicles now are on pcp if the vehicles where engineered to a longer life and the any extra expense would be covered from the longer term of the pcp
If the correct point was reached the extra production cost of the car would be less than the extra income bought in by the extended pcp term. Couple this with the car company's collecting the same monthly rate but without actually producing another vehicle so if you could double the length of the contracts the car manufacturers would be saving the production cost a a vehicle

I rest my case...
But won't suit me ...I'm bored after 2 years

 

[Brendan]

Ev are the future whether it's a good step or not (costs not only monetary but environmental due to the masses or rare metals needed plus all the transportation to build the batteries let alone the building if new factories etc) but more interesting news of late for me is mazda, adding the rx7 to the heritage program so new factory parts available including engines to help keep those little rotary engines brapping away into the future or until they stop selling super unleaded

 

[bobthebuilder]

Yes, but it's a job spinner as well. The employment realised in the whole renewable market the past few years has been huge, from wind farms and turbine manufacturing to cars, chargers, solar panels and heat pumps. Jumping on this green bandwagon will be the new horizon that keeps the UK out of a Brexit recession.

Just look at the 4,000 new jobs announced today from Nissan for a new battery factory and all the associated supply chain jobs that go along with it.
Is it any surprise the government has refused to divulge how much grant incentive they've ploughed into this to make it happen.

100 million quid i belive

 

[Smiffy]

But on the other hand if vehicles only have a 5 to 10 year lifespan it keeps higher emission cars off the road and also moves more money round the economy.

That's when you can take it to the extreme and refurbish the cars, it has been suggested by a few firms but shot down in flames, have the body shell last 20+ years and most the unrecyclable plastics such as dash and all the actuators for seats and boots be designed for a longer lifespan
But have a drivetrain that can be upgraded easily. And quickly.
How can we push for green then throw away a tonne of plastic every few years. It's just as unsustainable as carbon emissions.