Bobcat E19

[fred]

they forgot the windows.

 

[Furniss]

My little machine is canopy.... little machine you tend to be off and on off and on - lift it off to go inside etc suits us better than a cab on that size machine 3t and up deff warrants a cab.

Was that your 3t kubota and engcon I saw for sale on facebook Fred ?
350h and S40 with gripper ??

 

[Jimoz]

He was selling it here wasn't he to trade up

 

[V8Druid]

He was selling it here wasn't he to trade up

don't recall seeing it ... what's it worth?

 

[Furniss]

There was a KX030 on facebook somewhere - 350hrs - S40 engcon on a hi spec (i think) with a beam and 3 buckets - noticed it had idig plates on and thought it might be Freds
think they were asking 30k plus vat

 

[Jimoz]

I'm sure he put it up on here as wanted something bigger. Classifieds ?

 

[fred]

Was that your 3t kubota and engcon I saw for sale on facebook Fred ?
350h and S40 with gripper ??

yes. not sure how it got on faceache though as I dont use it!

Im probably taking the engcon off to go on the 5 tonner though, im in no rush until the spring so leaving out there as there are so few clean, low hours 3 tonners about.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

yes. not sure how it got on faceache though as I dont use it!

Im probably taking the engcon off to go on the 5 tonner though, im in no rush until the spring so leaving out there as there are so few clean, low hours 3 tonners about.

I reckon that’s a sensible idea - I don’t think you want to go bigger than S40 on a 5 tonner personally.
Exac-1 had a lovely KX-57 demonstrator with all singing/dancing Engcon with EC-oil etc (therefore S45) - even they admitted it was too big and heavy a set-up.

 

[doobin]

Maybe not hit. But deffo tapped...

Nope, hit. Paint missing... I'm actually missing zero swing, never thought I'd say it. But I'll get used to it, and the stability is what I wanted really.

How did you get on?

Wasn't really enough for the machine to get into it's stride. It's a bitch to operate when cold, and you really need the revs flat out for anything. The side console roller has fallen off. Tempted to make the mechanic come back to fix it, just needs to use threadlock this time. Bit s**t really.

The loadover height and crowd angle is really good. The bucket tucks right up - the boom will end up scratched over time but better than stuggling to load a Transit without spilling any. A lot of this could be down to the hitch geometry. I'm appreciating the hydraulic hitch already, but I think it has the same problem as the last- pin spacings too short, so it doesn't clamp up tight with even a little bit of wear in the pins. Why is Whites stuff so s**t? I'll make them come out and sort it like they did the E27, but it shouldn't still be happening. Last time you could see on the sliding jaw where the monkey that passed the welding exam had got it wrong once and cut it off before welding it wrong again- and I expect this one is the same. It's not rocket science- if the client specifies 125mm pin centres, then you make the sliding jaw top out at 127mm. Not 125mm.

But it did the job well enough. We knocked down a wall of the densest concrete blocks you can imagine, and the machine loaded them. Removed a load of old sleeper beds with the grab- good reach onto the truck for a small machine, and much easier than by hand. Built a couple of new beds- used the grab to pull the assembled oak frames around whilst we go the levels bob on. Then scratched out a pad, took a few loads away and then bastardised it drilling a couple of holes in the blade for a towball. One day I'll fill them in and make a nice removable socket and pin job to attach a towball. Mind you, I said that 5 years ago when I bought the Hyundai and drilled holes in the blade two weeks after it arrived. Never did.

Went and collected a shepherds hut from a few miles away with our beavertail and winch. Tight as a nuns arse getting her in, had hook the digger up on the road, shunt it through the entrance then take it off and reposition the digger, and finally jack the front of the tracks up on blocks to get enough drawbar height to unload. But you'd never have done it at all trying to reverse with a pickup. And to make matters more tricky the client wanted the towing A frame at the blind end, so this was the only option really.

Got to go and finish landscaping, install a cable and put a removable fence up where the wall was. I think the industry parlance is 'turnkey soloution'.... Anyway the profit on this two day job will have paid for the deposit on the new digger- I just need a few more of them.

It's amazing how you buy kit and then straight away find a use for it. I was sick of crap workshop jacks, so spend £150 on a 4 ton trolley jack a couple of weeks back. It was the bollocks for this job- we used it to get the hut up onto the two sets of ramps so it was wasy to load and again when siting it on the sleepers. The other thing that deserves a mention is the NivComp- must have saved two hours of messing around checking levels on this job alone, for the dig, the matched sleeper beds and the sleepers for the hut wheels. Got it from @Laser Levels Online two years ago and it's worth it's weight in gold for jobs like this.

 

[V8Druid]

Nope, hit. Paint missing... I'm actually missing zero swing, never thought I'd say it. But I'll get used to it, and the stability is what I wanted really.



Wasn't really enough for the machine to get into it's stride. It's a bitch to operate when cold, and you really need the revs flat out for anything. The side console roller has fallen off. Tempted to make the mechanic come back to fix it, just needs to use threadlock this time. Bit s**t really.

The loadover height and crowd angle is really good. The bucket tucks right up - the boom will end up scratched over time but better than stuggling to load a Transit without spilling any. A lot of this could be down to the hitch geometry. I'm appreciating the hydraulic hitch already, but I think it has the same problem as the last- pin spacings too short, so it doesn't clamp up tight with even a little bit of wear in the pins. Why is Whites stuff so s**t? I'll make them come out and sort it like they did the E27, but it shouldn't still be happening. Last time you could see on the sliding jaw where the monkey that passed the welding exam had got it wrong once and cut it off before welding it wrong again- and I expect this one is the same. It's not rocket science- if the client specifies 125mm pin centres, then you make the sliding jaw top out at 127mm. Not 125mm.

But it did the job well enough. We knocked down a wall of the densest concrete blocks you can imagine, and the machine loaded them. Removed a load of old sleeper beds with the grab- good reach onto the truck for a small machine, and much easier than by hand. Built a couple of new beds- used the grab to pull the assembled oak frames around whilst we go the levels bob on. Then scratched out a pad, took a few loads away and then bastardised it drilling a couple of holes in the blade for a towball. One day I'll fill them in and make a nice removable socket and pin job to attach a towball. Mind you, I said that 5 years ago when I bought the Hyundai and drilled holes in the blade two weeks after it arrived. Never did.

Went and collected a shepherds hut from a few miles away with our beavertail and winch. Tight as a nuns arse getting her in, had hook the digger up on the road, shunt it through the entrance then take it off and reposition the digger, and finally jack the front of the tracks up on blocks to get enough drawbar height to unload. But you'd never have done it at all trying to reverse with a pickup. And to make matters more tricky the client wanted the towing A frame at the blind end, so this was the only option really.

Got to go and finish landscaping, install a cable and put a removable fence up where the wall was. I think the industry parlance is 'turnkey soloution'.... Anyway the profit on this two day job will have paid for the deposit on the new digger- I just need a few more of them.

It's amazing how you buy kit and then straight away find a use for it. I was sick of crap workshop jacks, so spend £150 on a 4 ton trolley jack a couple of weeks back. It was the bollocks for this job- we used it to get the hut up onto the two sets of ramps so it was wasy to load and again when siting it on the sleepers. The other thing that deserves a mention is the NivComp- must have saved two hours of messing around checking levels on this job alone, for the dig, the matched sleeper beds and the sleepers for the hut wheels. Got it from @Laser Levels Online two years ago and it's worth it's weight in gold for jobs like this.

Good bloke in the truck'd have backed that in there ...... no sweat ....
outside the box thinking gets you jobs like these and they're usually good earners ..... have done some weird stuff in me time too .... the 'mission impossible jobs get you talked about and bring in more customers ...

 

[doobin]

This is why i have a canopy! Easy two man job to remove. Second time it’s been off in the first sixty hours.

Nasty hard reinforced footings that weren’t expected have to come out- took the e10 initially but she was having a hard time of it soon as we found the footings. This is boss of the breaker, ripper and grab and really made a difference.

 

[Thomas7740]

This is why i have a canopy! Easy two man job to remove. Second time it’s been off in the first sixty hours.

Nasty hard reinforced footings that weren’t expected have to come out- took the e10 initially but she was having a hard time of it soon as we found the footings. This is boss of the breaker, ripper and grab and really made a difference.

How many hours a year do you expect it to do if its only done 60 hours since you got it?

 

[doobin]

How many hours a year do you expect it to do if its only done 60 hours since you got it?

No idea, but it only costs me £285 a month on the drip so it doesn't need to do much!

Our workload and types vary. The E27 is up to 600 hours at 2 years old and the E10 350 hours at three years. But they all more than pay their way. The finance on all three is under a grand a month over five years.

The Hyundai it replaced did 1800 hours in four and a bit years, but now the workload is shared three ways (although we do more digger work overall)

 

[Shovelhands]

The best money earned is the money the machine earns that hasn’t put an hour on the clock.

 

[GazCro]

No idea, but it only costs me £285 a month on the drip so it doesn't need to do much!

Our workload and types vary. The E27 is up to 600 hours at 2 years old and the E10 350 hours at three years. But they all more than pay their way. The finance on all three is under a grand a month over five years.

The Hyundai it replaced did 1800 hours in four and a bit years, but now the workload is shared three ways (although we do more digger work overall)

Can't put a price on convenience, having you're own machine to go to wherever and whenever you need it is hard to beat. Whether they are making you a fortune or just covering their costs doesn't matter.

 

[V8Druid]

The best money earned is the money the machine earns that hasn’t put an hour on the clock.

Can't put a price on convenience, having you're own machine to go to wherever and whenever you need it is hard to beat. Whether they are making you a fortune or just covering their costs doesn't matter.

spot on ..... can never be over-equipped ...... when you have no idea what the next job will entail

 

[Mogman]

spot on ..... can never be over-equipped ...... when you have no idea what the next job will entail

Or over bucketed

 

[Nick...]

The best money earned is the money the machine earns that hasn’t put an hour on the clock.

I agree.very rarely I do more than an hour or two a day work on an eight hour day
nick...

 

[doobin]

Had another good day rate job for it yesterday. Took it and the Muck Truck plus Lumag high tip dumper to a job, along with the breaker, micro 600 with flat edge (delicate for services and loading power barrows) plus the grapple, ripper and NivComp. The two builders (good clients who appreciate that kit costs money) ran the dumpers, I levelled off, pulled the footings, broke and then lifted and carried big slabs of concrete with the grab down the driveway. God I miss zero tail, but even a zero couldn't have turned around on that drive. Then my party piece- lifting off the lintel from the de-roofed garage whilst the building inspector and client looked on. No sweat with the hydraulic grapple. Finally, broke out a section of tarmac and concrete to make a step rather than a ramp. I didn't have time for any photos, but by God it was tight. I was really appreciating the boom swing on the rocker switch.

I LOVE the hydraulic hitch. So glad I went for it, even on such a small machine. I was switching between ripper and bucket every minute to get the footings to start in tough sand/clay tight against the house. Then from breaker to ripper to grab to grader to push the pile up. I must have changed attachments fifty times that day.

I've put my rates right up with this current boom. £450 plus VAT for that lot, but I did in an easy day what your normal digger driver would have taken two days to do, and the lads really appreciated the mini dumpers. Left yard at 6:30, back by four after dropping machine and one dumper at a job on the way. Going back next week with the E10 to break out a bit more, pull footings for a porch (no chance of doing that with the E19!) and finalise the levels.

The E19 gave a good account of itself. Digging is smooth and it seems to have a lot of power. I'd say maybe a little more than the Hyundai it replaced. What you really notice when using things like the ripper is how planted it is. Stumps just pop straight out without a hint of lift.

The tracking seems to have loosened up a bit, but I still think it's too small an engine shifting too heavy a lump. I've gone from 15.4 kw moving 1.7t to 10.2kw shifting 1.9t! It is what it is, I don't regret buying it (yet ) as having the four aux to run the rotator grab is so useful. It gets a lick on in a straight line once warmed up, but turning is always tough, unless you have a load on. Perhaps it's just so well balanced that turning (especially with chunky new tracks) is always a challenge? The weight distribution is definately much more centred than the Hyundai- you only have to look at the tail overhang. I did spec the high torque track motors, and I've been very impressed with trailers that it's pushed up extremely steep inclines. But these demand every last drop of power the poor tiny engine can give.

All in all; as a compromise, it's pretty good. It's only done 110 hours, but it's saved me a lot of time on jobs that the Hyundai wouldn't have done, with the rotator grab. And it's super comfortable to operate. The E27 does 90% of my grab and timber work, so most of the time the E19 is fairly stationary.

 

[Russell]

I wonder how it compares with its lifting ability to the e20z?