Has anyone got a Debon tipping trailer.

[Storrsy]

Yes I know they’re not British (french I think) but I also don’t want to wait for half a century for a tipping trailer and local dealer has them in stock.
They look well put together IMO, nice dimensions. 11x6ft6 and not silly money, they have a steel floor covering as standard and a lot of other nice features including 3 way tip.

https://www.mpearsengineering.co.uk/products/pw3-3t5-tipper-trailer/

 

[Grahams]

I was looking at one in my local trailer dealer a little while ago. Looked very well made and the three way tip feature could be really handy. Ally sides increase payload and the clips are much better than ifor, but they won't stand the abuse steel sides will. Not heard anything bad about them, but I'm not sure they will hold their second hand value like an Ifor. The second hand ifor prices are insane.
I would have one without a doubt. Second hand similar sized Ifors are selling for more than that and you can have it now.

 

[hiluxman]

Our local trailer place was a dealer for debon. They used to be very cheap, probably to get them a start in the market. That size tipper was around £2200 /2400.

They seem to have sold well round here

 

[doobin]

I was going to look at one but then the dealer quoted me only £200 less than the equivalent Ifor. That was before all this madness however.

I just can't see they'll hold their money when things go back to normal.

 

[craig]

A local builder has one and he seems happy with it had it a few years now, nicely put together. Personally I prefer traditional style axles.
I don`t know how it will stand use and abuse over it life compared to say an ifor etc, as it looks to be made slightly lighter
Interestingly the pictures in your link are taken in my local dealers yard, maybe he`s the importer

 

[Storrsy]

Seems generally positive feedback then- I think they look quite well thought out really.
The way I look at them is I could do with a flatbed mainly.and very occasionally a tipper too. Seeing as it weighs only a bit more than an ifor flatbed and not far of price wise it makes sense to get the tipper. I agree that the ally sides will need a bit of sensitivity around them to keep them straight but then worse case a new set of sides probabaly -wouldn’t cost the earth if I did make a mess of them!
I think I’ll take a punt on one, it won’t get heavy use and I’d keep it for the long term so resale isn’t quite so important vs chopping in every few years like I do with my plant trailer.

 

[Storrsy]

A local builder has one and he seems happy with it had it a few years now, nicely put together. Personally I prefer traditional style axles.
I don`t know how it will stand use and abuse over it life compared to say an ifor etc, as it looks to be made slightly lighter
Interestingly the pictures in your link are taken in my local dealers yard, maybe he`s the importer

When you say traditional axle- do you mean leaf spring vs what ever rubber arrangement other makes have? I think these Debons still have a beam Knott axle...

 

[Russell]

I like the look of them with the 3 way tip and I think they do a 3m by 1.8 wide which would suit me although it's only 2.6t. I don't know why Ifor make the 3m and 2.5m tipper so narrow. Also the tailgate design is rubbish having to remove it all the time.
Why someone can't make a side hung tailgate like the yanks have I don't know.
Are they leaf or rubber?

 

[craig]

When you say traditional axle- do you mean leaf spring vs what ever rubber arrangement other makes have? I think these Debons still have a beam Knott axle...

Yes, a leaf spring set up. I know they are crude, but easy to fix and handy weight well.
I think knott axles are some kind of rubber or torsion bar

 

[Storrsy]

Yes, a leaf spring set up. I know they are crude, but easy to fix and handy weight well.
I think knott axles are some kind of rubber or torsion bar

Hmm, yes I’ve only really had leaf springs and concur they do take abuse well.
Think Bateson etc are all torsion. Nugent and ifor have stuck to leafs

 

[Storrsy]

I like the look of them with the 3 way tip and I think they do a 3m by 1.8 wide which would suit me although it's only 2.6t. I don't know why Ifor make the 3m and 2.5m tipper so narrow. Also the tailgate design is rubbish having to remove it all the time.
Why someone can't make a side hung tailgate like the yanks have I don't know.
Are they leaf or rubber?

Yes they are torsion bars. I suppose quieter ride but yeah I’d sooner leafs.

 

[V8Druid]

Yes I know they’re not British (french I think) but I also don’t want to wait for half a century for a tipping trailer and local dealer has them in stock.
They look well put together IMO, nice dimensions. 11x6ft6 and not silly money, they have a steel floor covering as standard and a lot of other nice features including 3 way tip.

https://www.mpearsengineering.co.uk/products/pw3-3t5-tipper-trailer/

like the look of that .. presumably the ramps are optional as some of the pix are missing them?

Hmm, yes I’ve only really had leaf springs and concur they do take abuse well.
Think Bateson etc are all torsion. Nugent and ifor have stuck to leafs

Knott do the Avonride beam axles - essentially a 'pair' of rubber torsion units in one beam axle tube .. many do them ... none are bonded - square torsion axle with round rubber rods inserted in the corners of the square axle tube --- I have seen serious overloading (or kerbing) force them around 90 degs

Bramber, who originally came up with the 'flexitor' torsion system units, under license from Alex Moulton, ( https://moultontrust.org/moulton-automotive-suspension ) never did a beam, as their system for bonding the stubs to their unit bodies didn't lend itself to a beam construction and hence always did pairs of units to bolt to a sub chassis/axle beam.

I have never seen a broken Bramber unit in the 'rubber' dept. ... bent arms/stubs/torsion bars, but never seen the bond let go. I used to make trailers for them when they were busy.

Recently bought a s/hand pair, off FB Marketplace, which @Cyberprog currently has in his custody, 'til we can have a meet up .. didn't think you could get them anymore as Bramber no longer exist and their 'name' was bought by Peak and a succession of trailer builders/component manufacturers.

Flexitor were the best money could buy.
having searched google I've found them in Oz, under 'Flexiride' though, presumably still under license and says they're still produced in UK, though i don't know by who?? possibly Peak?

the s/h pair I bought looked to me to be the1500-1800kg ..... but with braked hubs attached and fully adjustable

The issue with all/any torsion set up with multi axles is overloading of one wheel/axle load by kerb mounting, or excessive loading on one unit only. Rocking beam leaf set up overcomes all of those issues ... but don't know whether these have a rocking beam set up or rely on the user not overloading one axle's loading.
I always fitted rocking beams on twin axle set ups, unless a customer specifically wanted twin torsion beam/unit set ups. (cheaper option, but with a warning on overloading / kerbing /etc.)

Slipper End Springs | Peak Dynamics Rubber Suspension Engineering

Slipper end springs are a form of leaf spring in which one end is fixed and the other slides through an open bracket as the spring flexes under load.

www.peakdynamics.co.uk

 

[craig]

like the look of that .. presumably the ramps are optional as some of the pix are missing them?



Knott do the Avonride beam axles - essentially a 'pair' of rubber torsion units in one beam axle tube .. many do them ... none are bonded - square torsion axle with round rubber rods inserted in the corners of the square axle tube --- I have seen serious overloading (or kerbing) force them around 90 degs

Bramber, who originally came up with the 'flexitor' torsion system units, under license from Alex Moulton, ( https://moultontrust.org/moulton-automotive-suspension ) never did a beam, as their system for bonding the stubs to their unit bodies didn't lend itself to a beam construction and hence always did pairs of units to bolt to a sub chassis/axle beam.

I have never seen a broken Bramber unit in the 'rubber' dept. ... bent arms/stubs/torsion bars, but never seen the bond let go. I used to make trailers for them when they were busy.

Recently bought a s/hand pair, off FB Marketplace, which @Cyberprog currently has in his custody, 'til we can have a meet up .. didn't think you could get them anymore as Bramber no longer exist and their 'name' was bought by Peak and a succession of trailer builders/component manufacturers.

Flexitor were the best money could buy.
having searched google I've found them in Oz, under 'Flexiride' though, presumably still under license and says they're still produced in UK, though i don't know by who?? possibly Peak?

the s/h pair I bought looked to me to be the1500-1800kg ..... but with braked hubs attached and fully adjustable
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The issue with all/any torsion set up with multi axles is overloading of one wheel/axle load by kerb mounting, or excessive loading on one unit only. Rocking beam leaf set up overcomes all of those issues ... but don't know whether these have a rocking beam set up or rely on the user not overloading one axle's loading.
I always fitted rocking beams on twin axle set ups, unless a customer specifically wanted twin torsion beam/unit set ups. (cheaper option, but with a warning on overloading / kerbing /etc.)

Slipper End Springs | Peak Dynamics Rubber Suspension Engineering

Slipper end springs are a form of leaf spring in which one end is fixed and the other slides through an open bracket as the spring flexes under load.

www.peakdynamics.co.uk

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Don`t know what you done then, no pics showing a minute ago
I looked a couple of years ago for some thing with a rocking beam, non of the main manufacturers offered them unfortunately.

 

[Storrsy]

like the look of that .. presumably the ramps are optional as some of the pix are missing them?



Knott do the Avonride beam axles - essentially a 'pair' of rubber torsion units in one beam axle tube .. many do them ... none are bonded - square torsion axle with round rubber rods inserted in the corners of the square axle tube --- I have seen serious overloading (or kerbing) force them around 90 degs

Bramber, who originally came up with the 'flexitor' torsion system units, under license from Alex Moulton, ( https://moultontrust.org/moulton-automotive-suspension ) never did a beam, as their system for bonding the stubs to their unit bodies didn't lend itself to a beam construction and hence always did pairs of units to bolt to a sub chassis/axle beam.

I have never seen a broken Bramber unit in the 'rubber' dept. ... bent arms/stubs/torsion bars, but never seen the bond let go. I used to make trailers for them when they were busy.

Recently bought a s/hand pair, off FB Marketplace, which @Cyberprog currently has in his custody, 'til we can have a meet up .. didn't think you could get them anymore as Bramber no longer exist and their 'name' was bought by Peak and a succession of trailer builders/component manufacturers.

Flexitor were the best money could buy.
having searched google I've found them in Oz, under 'Flexiride' though, presumably still under license and says they're still produced in UK, though i don't know by who?? possibly Peak?

the s/h pair I bought looked to me to be the1500-1800kg ..... but with braked hubs attached and fully adjustable
View attachment 24299

The issue with all/any torsion set up with multi axles is overloading of one wheel/axle load by kerb mounting, or excessive loading on one unit only. Rocking beam leaf set up overcomes all of those issues ... but don't know whether these have a rocking beam set up or rely on the user not overloading one axle's loading.
I always fitted rocking beams on twin axle set ups, unless a customer specifically wanted twin torsion beam/unit set ups. (cheaper option, but with a warning on overloading / kerbing /etc.)

Slipper End Springs | Peak Dynamics Rubber Suspension Engineering

Slipper end springs are a form of leaf spring in which one end is fixed and the other slides through an open bracket as the spring flexes under load.

www.peakdynamics.co.uk

View attachment 24297

Thanks, usefull info, it’s hard to find any pics of the axle setup on the debon except this photo which looks like it has the addition of a shock absorber- never heard of that on a trailer like this- is that a good thing or not I wonder

 

[V8Druid]

Don`t know what you done then, no pics showing a minute ago
I looked a couple of years ago for some thing with a rocking beam, non of the main manufacturers offered them unfortunately.

had to re-load them all for some reason @craig ..... did it to me a few weeks ago too ... all att.s disappeared and came up as att. no.s which didn't link to anything
sadly very few manufacturers offer rocking beam .. adds weight and cost, but loads all 4 wheels correctly virtually all the time

 

[craig]

It the best solution, you wouldn't see a multi axle commercial trailer on springs without some form of compensated axles.

 

[V8Druid]

Thanks, usefull info, it’s hard to find any pics of the axle setup on the debon except this photo which looks like it has the addition of a shock absorber- never heard of that on a trailer like this- is that a good thing or not I wonder

beam torsion axles ... some manu.s use shock absorbers and do make a difference to ride, but aren't a legal requirement in UK .. perhaps they are in Froggy??
interesting drop stands for ramp loading, but can't see many folks crawling under to set them ... that'd load the back axle beam significantly if not used

 

[Brendan]

No idea on the debon they look ok but haven't seen any in person or know anyone who had/has one. The three way tip looks decent

Brian james website says there is a few at different dealers in stock or arriving within a couple if weeks, no idea how accurate it is but price wise is only £200 or so in it for the similar size.
Except the initial issues I had, it has been an excellent trailer and the load height is a lot lower than the ifors, which when I bought it was something like 75mm in it. The sides on my version are a bit long so do flex a bit when 2.6t of stone on the back but not too far out of shape

 

[Brendan]

I like the look of them with the 3 way tip and I think they do a 3m by 1.8 wide which would suit me although it's only 2.6t. I don't know why Ifor make the 3m and 2.5m tipper so narrow. Also the tailgate design is rubbish having to remove it all the time.
Why someone can't make a side hung tailgate like the yanks have I don't know.
Are they leaf or rubber?

New version of mine has a barn door option, mine should stay when tipped but never does no matter how little material is in it. Not a massive hardship to take it off but just more work to do, although the barn doors look handy but only if you have the space to swing them open with out stuff spilling out if you need to reverse back a bit further to tip, having said the the new one has an option of tailgate dropping down rather than swinging up, not ideal at times due to low ground clearance but at least it won't come off..... Although it will probably bend like you see with all the transit tippers Vs their towbars

 

[V8Druid]

I like the look of them with the 3 way tip and I think they do a 3m by 1.8 wide which would suit me although it's only 2.6t. I don't know why Ifor make the 3m and 2.5m tipper so narrow. Also the tailgate design is rubbish having to remove it all the time.
Why someone can't make a side hung tailgate like the yanks have I don't know.
Are they leaf or rubber?

gonna struggle, without going to seriously expensive (and usually smaller) tyres to get the loading and decrease the tare ... the 14" tyres'll run far better than 12" or smaller and generate far less heat (with fewer resultant blow outs)