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sjs5060

sjs5060

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My Engcons having more fitter time this year than both my JCB's put together.... And the paints no better on the Engcon either.
I’ve had a loose pipe and an o ring in three years with my 2. Anyone that calls them has learnt their trade on Internet forums, I’ve been on brand new kubotas & hitachis just lately and I was glad to get back on my 8026 after both, far nicer to drive.
and before anyone thinks I’m an owner driver who mollycoddles my machines I’m not, the 8026 replaced a 5 toner we’d had on hire for a year and I honestly cringe sometimes the stuff I make it do but it just gets on with it.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Sorry Graham but there is a lot of shite spouted by people with no or very little experience of actually running JCB's long term, if we are talking mini/midi diggers then Ive had at least 12 years running 801's - 802's - 803's - 8060 - 8080's versions versus the last 5 years running Kubota in 1.7t - 2.8t - 8t and I have had at least as many issues with Kubota versus JCB and I think I would be right in saying that Kubota is regarded as among the most relaible of brands in this sector, imo they did loose their way a bit in the 2000's and I had a few inj pump issues with my last 8t but as I have found out latterly they all have their problems and I'll be giving JCB's new generation stuff a look at when the time comes.

+ although I dont think of myself as overly patriotic (I moved to France FFS) I dont understand the mentality of continually dragging down a British Brand, now more than ever.
fairy snuff Kev .... can't beat the voice of experience ... (y)
 
Stubota86

Stubota86

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My Engcons having more fitter time this year than both my JCB's put together.... And the paints no better on the Engcon either.

watched your YouTube video a week or two back trimming up a trench/batter, did you say it was a snapped ram on the Engcon? Hope they’re looking after you.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
My Engcons having more fitter time this year than both my JCB's put together.... And the paints no better on the Engcon either.
would folk hazard a guess at all this water based s**t we're all forced to buy/use these days having a lot to do with that?
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Sorry Graham but there is a lot of shite spouted by people with no or very little experience of actually running JCB's long term, if we are talking mini/midi diggers then Ive had at least 12 years running 801's - 802's - 803's - 8060 - 8080's versions versus the last 5 years running Kubota in 1.7t - 2.8t - 8t and I have had at least as many issues with Kubota versus JCB and I think I would be right in saying that Kubota is regarded as among the most relaible of brands in this sector, imo they did loose their way a bit in the 2000's and I had a few inj pump issues with my last 8t but as I have found out latterly they all have their problems and I'll be giving JCB's new generation stuff a look at when the time comes.

+ although I dont think of myself as overly patriotic (I moved to France FFS) I dont understand the mentality of continually dragging down a British Brand, now more than ever.
I missed the 802 803 etc of the late 90s early 2000s as we were still trying to kill a kubota kh101. That's the machines that gave kubota its name and i think since they've let things slip a little.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I’ve had a loose pipe and an o ring in three years with my 2. Anyone that calls them has learnt their trade on Internet forums, I’ve been on brand new kubotas & hitachis just lately and I was glad to get back on my 8026 after both, far nicer to drive.
and before anyone thinks I’m an owner driver who mollycoddles my machines I’m not, the 8026 replaced a 5 toner we’d had on hire for a year and I honestly cringe sometimes the stuff I make it do but it just gets on with it.
very interesting comment Ste ... had a few days a while ago on an 8014 and an 8018 (think I got the numbers right :unsure:) and TBF, aside from the lack of grunt (to be expected on a little tool) I'd agree, they weren't a bad 'drive' at all and did a decent job .... the 1.8 was a little numb at times unless you kept it on the boil/moving ... let it rest and the sticks sort of went to sleep ? :unsure:o_O .... keep it cooking and it was sweet as ..... beat the hell out of a 1RB for sure
 
GazCro

GazCro

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would folk hazard a guess at all this water based s**t we're all forced to buy/use these days having a lot to do with that?
Bit of a joke the water based paint carry on though and i think a lot are blaming poor prep work on it. You can still use solvent based etch, primer and lacquer just not colour coat so really shouldn't be any different now from what it's ever been. A lot of the time it's either powder coat coming off rusty metal or paint coming off primer which hasn't been keyed properly.
 
Furniss

Furniss

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I missed the 802 803 etc of the late 90s early 2000s as we were still trying to kill a kubota kh101. That's the machines that gave kubota its name and i think since they've let things slip a little.
I think my point is that all brands have their strong/weak points and outstanding/average models in their range.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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I think my point is that all brands have their strong/weak points and outstanding/average models in their range.
Your right they do and i wouldn't knock my old 8015 (had for 14 years from new) from a drivers point of view, but it had plenty of the jcb niggles resulting from the penny pinching. Admittedly only part it had in that time was an ignition switch and a couple of hoses.
 
Shovelhands

Shovelhands

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would folk hazard a guess at all this water based s**t we're all forced to buy/use these days having a lot to do with that?
I think it plays a big part in it. But your average car manufacturer can make it work....
I think it’s more to do with the prep, and the prep is probably more important than ever with the paints that they are forced to use.

As far as JCB goes, paint wise, some parts are clearly getting better treatment than others. Some stuff is getting a good coat of decent paint, other bits not so much....none of it is painted like the good old days, but they ain’t the good old days for nothing...Let’s also not forget that many of the smaller components parts, panels etc, will be made by suppliers who will also be applying the finish. Obviously the buck stops with JCB though, not denying that, but if an item passes visual inspection when it enters the production line, then there’s not a lot can be done at that point. But things can be done if issues are raised with the dealer and subsequently the factory.

let’s also not forget JCB are far from alone with their paint issues! Peeling paint is rife on many manufacturers plant, not just the yellow ones.

Ive had paint issues put right under warranty in the past, no quibbles, no fighting, it was sorted. In fact, every time I’ve had an issue that required a warranty claim, I’ve been extremely glad that it was a JCB and not another manufacturer.
 
JD450A

JD450A

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The issue with Paint IMHO is all down to lack of prep (Be it shot blasting or acid dip to remove rust/scale).

JCB are using Electrophoretic deposition which Komatsu Tried back on there -7 Cabs to much the same result. I love the X series and the new mini's, but it's a f****ng joke. IMHO a world beating machine that will be beaten by poorly fitted components and piss poor paint.

I promise you the finish is s**t, and the doors rust. I love the X Series I drive. It's almost certainly the best machine in it's class.... but by f**k the finish is s**t.

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Furniss

Furniss

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The issue with Paint IMHO is all down to lack of prep (Be it shot blasting or acid dip to remove rust/scale).

JCB are using Electrophoretic deposition which Komatsu Tried back on there -7 Cabs to much the same result. I love the X series and the new mini's, but it's a f****ng joke. IMHO a world beating machine that will be beaten by poorly fitted components and piss poor paint.

I promise you the finish is s**t, and the doors rust. I love the X Series I drive. It's almost certainly the best machine in it's class.... but by f**k the finish is s**t.

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Yep its a shame but as has been said paint is something lots of the brands need to address not just JCB
 
Left hooker

Left hooker

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Jcb chrome rods are worse since 2000 w reg we sent off to pastures new few years ago didn't have any rust on any ram everything after few years down line and rust popping up everywhere how my 07 plate side shift ram is not leaking is beyond me Dipper ram is weaping due to one small rust pit and nothing did any damage just rust
 
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Smiffy

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I've not seen it fall off a 4 year old machine like a JCB.... :( Which is very sad.

Tbf bobcat seem on par all the ones round here are brown round the bottom
Merlo telehandlers are no different to JCB it's just hidden by the merlos having more plastic

The best I've seen are Hitachi they don't even rust round dented panels
One I drive has a dent/scratch from a forklift hitting it and the is a single 100mmx4mm line of rust and no flaking atall
 
CPS

CPS

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Lack of prep and primer! Have a look at any machine that is flaking off, its git no primer! Its this one coat magic that they all think will work, it obviously doesn't!
I had it with some bits I built too, company told me to try this great one coat stuff..... pure s**t. Red oxide primer before any top coat ... its the only way
 
Left hooker

Left hooker

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Lack of prep and primer! Have a look at any machine that is flaking off, its git no primer! Its this one coat magic that they all think will work, it obviously doesn't!
I had it with some bits I built too, company told me to try this great one coat stuff..... pure s**t. Red oxide primer before any top coat ... its the only way
Even then proper red oxide is long gone with the lead missing from it
Did a demo job few year back and some gallon cans of paint in the back of the garage f**k they were heavy compared to modern equivalent
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
red lead and red oxide're two very different animals Stu .... and yeh they were bloody heavy cans :giggle: ..... was a 'job and finish' though (y)
 
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