Dumpers - Cab or no Cab

[Diggerdave]

You’re right. Cat had a design agreement with Mitsi when they first wanted to get into the market. There was sharing of technology and some Mitsi models were badged as cat. The 215 up were Cat machines with some Mitsi design input, the four smaller machines were badged Eders. The smaller machines were quite different designs, having foot controlled swing brakes. All of the Cat machines now are Cat designed and manufactured, I think the exception being the 300.9.

Thanks for the information

 

[Diggerdave]

I drove one of them for a while when I moved up here . I think from memory they are an Eder badged Cat

Pretty sure mine ended up in Inverness about 15years ago. I sold it back to the guy I bought it off, who then put it on eBay a few months after. And he ended up delivering it all the way up there from Gloucester.

 

[Vinpetrol]

Pretty sure mine ended up in Inverness about 15years ago. I sold it back to the guy I bought it off, who then put it on eBay a few months after. And he ended up delivering it all the way up there from Gloucester.

There’s a few about up here . They were popular because there was a Cat dealership in Muir of Ord . Finnings had been here for generations so having a local dealer helped the sales and popularity . Yours arrived after my time on one as it was 26 years ago . There is one at Tore that I pass every day though !

 

[Bri963]

I think the 6-8 t cats and smaller were built by Mitsubishi when they were introduced .

Not sure, I’ll find out when I get back to work. We’re at sunny Mudeford until Friday. Did Stonehenge and Avebury. That barrow at Avebury is some muckshift, looks like about 15000 cube dug out and piled by hand. It actually moved me in a way that Stonehenge didn’t. Too English Heritage for me. Apparently it took 1000 years to finish as they kept changing the design. Think the same crew worked on HS2.

 

[DaveDCB]

Think I’ve decided to go no cab - the extra cost for the little use it will get isn’t worth it for us, we go home when it rains anyway!
So I’m in the lookout for an extremely tidy pre dpf or anything up to brand new , I’ve yet to find something that meets my unreasonable standards!

 

[V8Druid]

Think I’ve decided to go no cab - the extra cost for the little use it will get isn’t worth it for us, we go home when it rains anyway!
So I’m in the lookout for an extremely tidy pre dpf or anything up to brand new , I’ve yet to find something that meets my unreasonable standards!

cut a hole in the bottom of a dumpy and wear it like a tent

 

[DaveDCB]

cut a hole in the bottom of a dumpy and wear it like a tent

£90 job done!

 

[Smiffy]

£90 job done!
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I desperately want a pair of these or similar. But noone makes them for lanky people. Next best is bib and brace but the waterproof bib and brace from Englebert Strauss is over 200 quid.
And I do t go out in the wet nearly enough now to justify that. It would pretty much be for working on the landrover.

 

[craig]

I desperately want a pair of these or similar. But noone makes them for lanky people. Next best is bib and brace but the waterproof bib and brace from Englebert Strauss is over 200 quid.
And I do t go out in the wet nearly enough now to justify that. It would pretty much be for working on the landrover.

Pulsar was the worst waterproof I`ve ever had, I won`t buy another.

 

[Smiffy]

Pulsar was the worst waterproof I`ve ever had, I won`t buy another.

All our kit at work is pulsar.
It's ok. The new range pulsar life is better than the original stuff.
The waterproof jackets last about a year. Basically about this time every year everyone puts in a request for a new jacket.
I wouldn't buy it myself but it is a thousand times better than what I've been issued in the past.
I still want a waterproof set of overalls. In fact I would just like a pair of overalls full stop. They just don't make them big enough.

 

[6feetdown]

All our kit at work is pulsar.
It's ok. The new range pulsar life is better than the original stuff.
The waterproof jackets last about a year. Basically about this time every year everyone puts in a request for a new jacket.
I wouldn't buy it myself but it is a thousand times better than what I've been issued in the past.
I still want a waterproof set of overalls. In fact I would just like a pair of overalls full stop. They just don't make them big enough.

I'm the opposite a short arse all the legs are huge and a small is usually too tight across the chest can't find any either.

That's the reason I like Snickers gear it actually fits me

 

[V8Druid]

I've been happy with my Portwest gear and been out in some pretty shite weather with it ...
for the price it is very good and cheap enough not to worry too much about.
their 'long' bombers and salopettes've kept me dry in some pretty torrential conditions. ....
priced well enough to have a few sets so no worries about getting it dry for the next day
Bombers are RT32/URT32 ....
would have to look at the salopettes for their product code?

 

[DaveDCB]

Yes at full steering lock and full articulation the skip get pretty near the steering column the cab is square on the front so they wound the steering stops out to stop it colliding

I was comparing spec sheets this morning after the kids had me up at 5am again..
the Thwaites cab dumper has a hellish turning circle - more than winding out the stops!! 16.2meter cabbed vs 12.9meter non cab!!
That’s enough to put me off one for sure!

The Mecalac MDX cab turning circle is the same as no cab , due to a better cab design!

 

[Gunners]

I think Thwaites have really messed up with their cab design. As you say, the MDX cab looks really well thought out in terms of access to the engine. The Thwaites is a bit of a bodge to get a cab to fit. Doesn't look "designed" into the machine at all.

Don't discount the JCB dumpers. Good turning circle, and they have pushed the front axel forward to get the skip to sit a bit lower down for better visibility. Engine access very good too. The only thing I hit them for is poor paintwork which seems to be worse somehow on the dumpers than other product lines. But the new paint line is nearly ready at the factory which "promises" to improve the paint process for backhoe, loadall and dumpers.
They aren't a bad machine and the cab has been designed to work with the dumper not just plonked on top.

Of course, the brand you haven't mentioned yet is Wacker Neuson. Possibly the nicest dumper cab out there? But not got any experience with their products hands on so cant comment other than that.

 

[Bri963]

I think Thwaites have really messed up with their cab design. As you say, the MDX cab looks really well thought out in terms of access to the engine. The Thwaites is a bit of a bodge to get a cab to fit. Doesn't look "designed" into the machine at all.

Don't discount the JCB dumpers. Good turning circle, and they have pushed the front axel forward to get the skip to sit a bit lower down for better visibility. Engine access very good too. The only thing I hit them for is poor paintwork which seems to be worse somehow on the dumpers than other product lines. But the new paint line is nearly ready at the factory which "promises" to improve the paint process for backhoe, loadall and dumpers.
They aren't a bad machine and the cab has been designed to work with the dumper not just plonked on top.

Of course, the brand you haven't mentioned yet is Wacker Neuson. Possibly the nicest dumper cab out there? But not got any experience with their products hands on so cant comment other than that.

The W/N’s are good machines, hystat and not bad cab access imo. Better access than Knakerlacks.

 

[DaveDCB]

I think Thwaites have really messed up with their cab design. As you say, the MDX cab looks really well thought out in terms of access to the engine. The Thwaites is a bit of a bodge to get a cab to fit. Doesn't look "designed" into the machine at all.

Don't discount the JCB dumpers. Good turning circle, and they have pushed the front axel forward to get the skip to sit a bit lower down for better visibility. Engine access very good too. The only thing I hit them for is poor paintwork which seems to be worse somehow on the dumpers than other product lines. But the new paint line is nearly ready at the factory which "promises" to improve the paint process for backhoe, loadall and dumpers.
They aren't a bad machine and the cab has been designed to work with the dumper not just plonked on top.

Of course, the brand you haven't mentioned yet is Wacker Neuson. Possibly the nicest dumper cab out there? But not got any experience with their products hands on so cant comment other than that.

Ollie , JCB have been promising improved paint for the last 20 years, and they promised me and swore blind 10 years ago it was all fixed and improved, then again in 2018 they said it was getting sorted! It’s just bullshit! I’ve had my time with JCB and won’t be going back I’m afraid.

Agreed with Thwaites cab, it’s just a plonk on cab, with a fluffy fabric all over the place which I assume is for sound proofing/thermal but I imagine that it just attracts dust like nothing else? I like wipe down!

 

[DaveDCB]

The W/N’s are good machines, hystat and not bad cab access imo. Better access than Knakerlacks.

All gone hydro now except JCB.. I love my 3ton Mecalac hydro, great machine!

 

[DaveDCB]

The W/N’s are good machines, hystat and not bad cab access imo. Better access than Knakerlacks.

I always forget about them, I know regional director well, remember him saying WN sell the most dumpers into the uk over everyone else - which surprised me! I will enquire

 

[V8Druid]

I always forget about them, I know regional director well, remember him saying WN sell the most dumpers into the uk over everyone else - which surprised me! I will enquire

the 9t FT I spent a few months on in '17 was a great dumper - nice cab, good access, nice place to be when it was frosty/wet and went anywhere in some pretty dire conditions - I never got stuck, even in tish up to the diffs

 

[Gecko]

I'm the opposite a short arse all the legs are huge and a small is usually too tight across the chest can't find any either.

Got a couple of mates who suffer the same - we call it Ducks Disease - long neck, no legs