General election

[Jimoz]

Feels like makerfields gonna be the crunch moment. Battle royale style
What's the feeling in the street? Anyone but labour?

They were a lot of non answers of the door. If I was being honest I'd say in the area we did 10% restore, 30% reform, slightly less labour say 25% and 35% considering which just means they took a leaflet off us but undecided or perhaps didn't want to divulge. I still dont buy the splitting the vote argument as I think reform are full of old torys ie the uni party and I reckon reform had more support than Labour regardless. Apparently Burnham used to be mp for a nearby constituency because I had to ask why people preferred a non local candidate.

 

[Jimoz]

Wish I took photos of the records our gaffer for the day did. I messaged him today but he handed all in at end of day.

 

[TiltyShaun]

They were a lot of non answers of the door. If I was being honest I'd say in the area we did 10% restore, 30% reform, slightly less labour say 25% and 35% considering which just means they took a leaflet off us but undecided or perhaps didn't want to divulge. I still dont buy the splitting the vote argument as I think reform are full of old torys ie the uni party and I reckon reform had more support than Labour regardless. Apparently Burnham used to be mp for a nearby constituency because I had to ask why people preferred a non local candidate.

So so the undecided win it then.

 

[doobin]

So so the undecided win it then.

This is Rupert’s angle I think. To inspire the disenfranchised with a genuine alternative.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

This is Rupert’s angle I think. To inspire the disenfranchised with a genuine alternative.

He needs to do a lot of inspiring then, as the majority of people I speak to don’t know who he is and haven’t heard of Restore (which is a terrible party name, too similar to what he’s hoping to differentiate from).
As far as I’m concerned Rupert is THE option - unfortunately he needs to up his game to get voters on-board as nobody knows who or what restore are (hardly anybody has heard of them, and they are often confused with reform).

 

[Grahams]

Fair play for doing your bit Jim , it’s all well and good moaning about everything but actually getting out there and doing a bit is to be admired regardless of your political persuasion , and you wouldn’t be blue in the face persuading me to vote restore . I’d be between them and reform right now .

I thought the same, putting in your time and effort into what you believe has got to be admired.
I'm still politically homeless, but there I would vote for whoever was likely to stop Burnham winning. Trouble is I worry the vote on the right is so split it may let labour win by default.

 

[doobin]

I thought the same, putting in your time and effort into what you believe has got to be admired.
I'm still politically homeless, but there I would vote for whoever was likely to stop Burnham winning. Trouble is I worry the vote on the right is so split it may let labour win by default.

Even if Burnham wins and takes over as PM, I don’t believe he can turn things around enough within the remainder of Labour’s term to ensure re-election.

My gut feeling is that Rupert doesn’t mind if he wins this by-election or not. It’s good practice, and all publicity is good publicity for his message. But they need time in order to roll out a nationwide campaign for a general election.

 

[Jimoz]

Even if Burnham wins and takes over as PM, I don’t believe he can turn things around enough within the remainder of Labour’s term to ensure re-election.

My gut feeling is that Rupert doesn’t mind if he wins this by-election or not. It’s good practice, and all publicity is good publicity for his message. But they need time in order to roll out a nationwide campaign for a general election.

Its 2 sides of the same coin no matter who's leading labour. Its not like we are all of a sudden going to get some massive change of direction under a different leader of that party. They are never going to be able to rejoin the eu without a referendum surely?

 

[Grahams]

Even if Burnham wins and takes over as PM, I don’t believe he can turn things around enough within the remainder of Labour’s term to ensure re-election.

I wasn't worried about him making Labour more electable, I was worried about him destroying the economy quicker.
I don't rate Starmer, but at least he seems pretty ineffective, I worry Burnham will be able to push through more stupid policies.

 

[TiltyShaun]

I wasn't worried about him making Labour more electable, I was worried about him destroying the economy quicker.
I don't rate Starmer, but at least he seems pretty ineffective, I worry Burnham will be able to push through more stupid policies.

Compared to Kier, I would prefer more Kier!!
As for Restore, sorry, a little too extreme for me. I am not 100% behind Reform but I can only see them as the current electable alternative.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Compared to Kier, I would prefer more Kier!!
As for Restore, sorry, a little too extreme for me. I am not 100% behind Reform but I can only see them as the current electable alternative.

Have to agree with you on this.
To be honest the one redeeming feature of the Reform lot is it’s essentially just conservative 2.0, so to some degree we know what we might end up with. They need to vastly improve their selection process though as currently some right twats putting themselves forward .
Personally I find the Lib-Dems do a good job round here .

 

[Vinpetrol]

Its 2 sides of the same coin no matter who's leading labour. Its not like we are all of a sudden going to get some massive change of direction under a different leader of that party. They are never going to be able to rejoin the eu without a referendum surely?

They won’t go to a referendum Jim , they won’t take the chance in case they get another out vote . They will take us so close to Europe that we will be virtually back in anyway and dancing to all the European countries requests along the way

 

[Bri963]

Have to agree with you on this.
To be honest the one redeeming feature of the Reform lot is it’s essentially just conservative 2.0, so to some degree we know what we might end up with. They need to vastly improve their selection process though as currently some right twats putting themselves forward .
Personally I find the Lib-Dems do a good job round here .

While labour and Tories are each other 2.0, a lot of individuals do a good job at a local level regardless of which party they’re in. Trouble is at national level parties get so big there’s always the risk of some bad apples slipping through the net. Some parties are quick at rooting out the crap while others make them ambassadors. I’m to the right and believe in strong borders and strong armed forces, but that doesn’t make me any sort of -ist or -phobe. Apart from Twattist, and there’s already plenty in Westminster.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

While labour and Tories are each other 2.0, a lot of individuals do a good job at a local level regardless of which party they’re in. Trouble is at national level parties get so big there’s always the risk of some bad apples slipping through the net. Some parties are quick at rooting out the crap while others make them ambassadors. I’m to the right and believe in strong borders and strong armed forces, but that doesn’t make me any sort of -ist or -phobe. Apart from Twattist, and there’s already plenty in Westminster.

We are supposed to vote for our local candidates - but its turning into an American style popularity contest instead.

 

[Old Operator]

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/leo-mckinstry-does-rupert-lowe-really-want-to-go-down-in-history-as-the-man-who-made-burnham-pm/ar-AA244Fob?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6a159dabf76d475fa1a505002d6aee35&ei=28

I think this sums up the problem far better than I tried to. Some sort of coordination is needed between parties that are like minded on most issues. Otherwise we are drifting towards being the new East Germany (or perhaps considering the heat the new Zimbabwe / Argentina)
Agree Reform pretty much Tories 2.0 but I hope they actually carry out what they promise, not do the opposite once in power (a big Boris failing)

 

[V8Druid]

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/leo-mckinstry-does-rupert-lowe-really-want-to-go-down-in-history-as-the-man-who-made-burnham-pm/ar-AA244Fob?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6a159dabf76d475fa1a505002d6aee35&ei=28

I think this sums up the problem far better than I tried to. Some sort of coordination is needed between parties that are like minded on most issues. Otherwise we are drifting towards being the new East Germany (or perhaps considering the heat the new Zimbabwe / Argentina)
Agree Reform pretty much Tories 2.0 but I hope they actually carry out what they promise, not do the opposite once in power (a big Boris failing)

Lowe would be heralded as a hero if Restore withdrew and Reform trounced Burnham, and labour