Sany Sy26c

[hiluxman]

Dumper market is generally a UK only one. It's not a big enough volume, good idea though

Curiously what is the ultimate owner operator machine. You would take bits of every brand I presume .

No such thing as an ultimate owner operator machine....we are all different and prefer different things and have different order of priorities.

I could say 'x' is the best machine, 90% will tell you why it's not....yeah not for them but still the best for me.

Same applies cars/vans/phones/remote central heating app...

Not that I'd bother with central heating app at all.

 

[Storrsy]

It's my belief that in general small diggers are going downhill since 15 years ago I guess for my needs at least. Far more of a shift to zero tail, engines are getting smaller, single pumps lesser flow share, poor paint. The only improvements is cab features which isn't always that useful anyway and they're more geared up to running attachments then 2010 machines were.
I look at the Kubota kx030 and think perhaps I'd better get it before they stop making it- just towable, proper arse, decent size engine, variable pumps, dont think Kubota paint is too bad, residuals etc.

 

[Smiffy]

It's my belief that in general small diggers are going downhill since 15 years ago I guess for my needs at least. Far more of a shift to zero tail, engines are getting smaller, single pumps lesser flow share, poor paint. The only improvements is cab features which isn't always that useful anyway and they're more geared up to running attachments then 2010 machines were.
I look at the Kubota kx030 and think perhaps I'd better get it before they stop making it- just towable, proper arse, decent size engine, variable pumps, dont think Kubota paint is too bad, residuals etc.

I think the zero tail swing thing is difficult as you are restrained by weight rather than size. If it's the other way round. Which it is for most of the world thats not governed by a set of rules that makes a towable machine so useful. Then zero tailswing is great as you get more reach and power and lift capacity fitting into the same working envelope.
Aaa3aa

 

[doobin]

It's my belief that in general small diggers are going downhill since 15 years ago I guess for my needs at least. Far more of a shift to zero tail, engines are getting smaller, single pumps lesser flow share, poor paint. The only improvements is cab features which isn't always that useful anyway and they're more geared up to running attachments then 2010 machines were.
I look at the Kubota kx030 and think perhaps I'd better get it before they stop making it- just towable, proper arse, decent size engine, variable pumps, dont think Kubota paint is too bad, residuals etc.

Thats what I figured about my E27. I wouldn't go back fifteen years though- there have been big improvements since then- namely the mainstream use of twin piston and one gear pump setup combined with common rail which does more with less fuel yet still has power. Also extra services on rocker switches which is essential for me. Sadly this also aligned with the introduction of more stringent emissions bullshit more recently.

My JCB I reckon is a good example of this. At 2015 it's over ten years old- but it was only a year into the production run of the 86c. It's got the twin aux with rockers, it's got a tab boom, it's got air con. I wouldn't want to go back 15 years to the model before without those features.

My fleet renewal has become a lot more sporadic. I'm now looking for secondhand lightly used stuff at good discounts to new with a view to running it for the next ten years- I don't forsee any major changes for the better in terms of productivity and performance in any machine over that timescale. If there are (tab boom 2.7t for example) then I'll change.

And over that timescales residuals won't matter as you know. Previously I've always tried to change around 3 years.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Talking of the chinese.. Typical expample here of why they get a s**t rep. You would think they would cotton on to the fact that selling s**t stuff damages their ability to sell the good kit?

Nice picture of a traditional built/ design BHoe on the main photos of this listing, then when you get closer/deeper in its just a articulated loader unit with a pathetic back actor on the back.

Amazon.co.uk

 

[doobin]

Did anyone see how many of those Chinese mini skid steers on tracks there were in Euros last week?🫣 I reckon it was around fifty.

They’re all over Facebook now with the barrow boy wheeler dealers.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Talking of the chinese.. Typical expample here of why they get a s**t rep. You would think they would cotton on to the fact that selling s**t stuff damages their ability to sell the good kit?

Nice picture of a traditional built/ design BHoe on the main photos of this listing, then when you get closer/deeper in its just a articulated loader unit with a pathetic back actor on the back.

Amazon.co.uk

Every picture is different lol. Wonder what you'd actually get

 

[Vinpetrol]

Did anyone see how many of those Chinese mini skid steers on tracks there were in Euros last week?🫣 I reckon it was around fifty.

They’re all over Facebook now with the barrow boy wheeler dealers.

This is the issue for Sany that look like they are investing to be a long term player . There are so many other Chinese manufacturers trying to get a foothold in European market and they will take anyone as a dealer . I approached someone I thought was a uk dealer in my search for an 8t to 10t side boom duck . It was called Henawang

. The duck looked to have a manual gearbox so I enquired and they replied and said it was auto and would I import them into uk !

 

[Storrsy]

This is the issue for Sany that look like they are investing to be a long term player . There are so many other Chinese manufacturers trying to get a foothold in European market and they will take anyone as a dealer . I approached someone I thought was a uk dealer in my search for an 8t to 10t side boom duck . It was called Henawang View attachment 79659View attachment 79660. The duck looked to have a manual gearbox so I enquired and they replied and said it was auto and would I import them into uk !

I don't think selling a duck called a Henwank is ever going to do well!

 

[Storrsy]

Thats what I figured about my E27. I wouldn't go back fifteen years though- there have been big improvements since then- namely the mainstream use of twin piston and one gear pump setup combined with common rail which does more with less fuel yet still has power. Also extra services on rocker switches which is essential for me. Sadly this also aligned with the introduction of more stringent emissions bullshit more recently.

My JCB I reckon is a good example of this. At 2015 it's over ten years old- but it was only a year into the production run of the 86c. It's got the twin aux with rockers, it's got a tab boom, it's got air con. I wouldn't want to go back 15 years to the model before without those features.

My fleet renewal has become a lot more sporadic. I'm now looking for secondhand lightly used stuff at good discounts to new with a view to running it for the next ten years- I don't forsee any major changes for the better in terms of productivity and performance in any machine over that timescale. If there are (tab boom 2.7t for example) then I'll change.

And over that timescales residuals won't matter as you know. Previously I've always tried to change around 3 years.

15 years ago isnt that far back. Then you'd have the choice of Hitachi zx27, Volvo EC27, Kub 71, Tak 228, and more. All proper machines which were belters IMO and plenty of them still going well today personally I think that was the golden era for that size, think Cars were just a bit before that perhaps mid 2000s before it all started to slide. Just too much focus on emissions and tech.

 

[doobin]

15 years ago isnt that far back. Then you'd have the choice of Hitachi zx27, Volvo EC27, Kub 71, Tak 228, and more. All proper machines which were belters IMO and plenty of them still going well today personally I think that was the golden era for that size, think Cars were just a bit before that perhaps mid 2000s before it all started to slide. Just too much focus on emissions and tech.

Proper machine if you like foot pedals for everything. I don’t.

For cars it’s a diesel from around 2008-2012 for me. Common rail, tunable, but reliable.

 

[Storrsy]

Proper machine if you like foot pedals for everything. I don’t.

For cars it’s a diesel from around 2008-2012 for me. Common rail, tunable, but reliable.

Agreed I could never go back to foot pedals either but certainly the Taks were up on the joysticks by then.

 

[Storrsy]

It been mentioned several times here that might be a good time to buy a used machine- am I looking in the wrong places or something- I can find almost nothing (been looking hard the last few months) that I would consider a lightly used high spec 3 tonner- let alone at a price that makes it attractive. There was a TB230 with twin aux going a few weeks ago. He wanted £22k for it had nearly 2000 hrs. All this talk of market flooded with used machines and I'm just not seeing any of it

 

[Brendan]

It been mentioned several times here that might be a good time to buy a used machine- am I looking in the wrong places or something- I can find almost nothing (been looking hard the last few months) that I would consider a lightly used high spec 3 tonner- let alone at a price that makes it attractive. There was a TB230 with twin aux going a few weeks ago. He wanted £22k for it had nearly 2000 hrs. All this talk of market flooded with used machines and I'm just not seeing any of it

The problem with low or ultra low hour machines that are only 2-3 years old, is they are only 3-5k less than a brand new one with warranty

 

[Storrsy]

The problem with low or ultra low hour machines that are only 2-3 years old, is they are only 3-5k less than a brand new one with warranty

Exactly. Take this for example.

JCB 8026 Mini Digger Excavator, 367 HOURS! NO VAT, 2.7 Ton Takeuchi, Kubota | eBay UK

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for JCB 8026 Mini Digger Excavator, 367 HOURS! NO VAT, 2.7 Ton Takeuchi, Kubota at the best online prices at eBay UK! Free delivery for many products!

www.ebay.co.uk

5 years old. No twin aux. No hydraulic hitch, no warranty. I mean who in their right mind would buy it!? And there's plenty out there similar. I'm assuming they are actually selling cos they don't hang around that long

 

[Brendan]

Exactly. Take this for example.

JCB 8026 Mini Digger Excavator, 367 HOURS! NO VAT, 2.7 Ton Takeuchi, Kubota | eBay UK

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for JCB 8026 Mini Digger Excavator, 367 HOURS! NO VAT, 2.7 Ton Takeuchi, Kubota at the best online prices at eBay UK! Free delivery for many products!

www.ebay.co.uk

5 years old. No twin aux. No hydraulic hitch, no warranty. I mean who in their right mind would buy it!? And there's plenty out there similar. I'm assuming they are actually selling cos they don't hang around that long

I was offered 19k for mine trade in with jcb and elsewhere was 15-16k. There's a 26c on there which again is sub 100 hours but 2 years old and near enough same spec new with 3 years warranty and servicing is around 3-4k more

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I don't think selling a duck called a Henwank is ever going to do well!

Duckwank might be better

 

[Gecko]

It was called Henawang

Nothing wrong with a good Wang

 

[Furniss]

I don't think selling a duck called a Henwank is ever going to do well!

it would be a tough one thats for sure

a henwank that is ....

 

[Monkeybusiness]

It been mentioned several times here that might be a good time to buy a used machine- am I looking in the wrong places or something- I can find almost nothing (been looking hard the last few months) that I would consider a lightly used high spec 3 tonner- let alone at a price that makes it attractive. There was a TB230 with twin aux going a few weeks ago. He wanted £22k for it had nearly 2000 hrs. All this talk of market flooded with used machines and I'm just not seeing any of it

I gave £30k brand new for mine (bare stick).