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[V8Druid]

in which decade ??????

Chancellor announces plans for hundreds of health centres part-funded through ‘dynamic’ public-private partnerships model

Revival of PPP follows Building's Funding the Future report calling for expansion of the model

www.building.co.uk

 

[Monkeybusiness]

but only a little bit
" Gloucestershire County Council cabinet is set to decide next month on council plans to develop 27 acres of council-owned land at Coombe Hill, ...... Part of the site will be sold to private developers for approximately 25 new homes to be built. "

or if you meant McC&S ... they had no say in the reservations demanded by WW/DC and it screwed their original designs for my site

Yeah, my ‘assumption’ was that it was a buyer’s way to negotiate the price down.

 

[V8Druid]

and just how have they managed this then ???

Salford farmland to be developed for housing

Story Homes and Taylor Wimpey have bought farmland in Worsley for a major housing development.

www.theconstructionindex.co.uk

" Story Homes and Taylor Wimpey will set aside land for a new primary school and five hectares for open space and landscaping to meet biodiversity net gain (BNG) requirements. "

so how big a site have they acquired

 

[V8Druid]

Yeah, my ‘assumption’ was that it was a buyer’s way to negotiate the price down.

nah we all got screwed on it ... was a 3m (4.2m) reservation originally and got upped to 6 (7.2m) ... they wasted a lot of money developing a 'plan' which then just wouldn't work - I have all the original drawings somewhere in my files

 

[V8Druid]

Firms going bust and problems getting hold of materials add another £95m to Manchester Town Hall revamp budget

Bovis scheme now slated to cost £525m and finish eight months later than previously planned

www.building.co.uk

reeeally ???????????? £95m FFS another 22%???? taking the p*ss

 

[sfrs4]

I don't get the whole southern airport expansions, Luton, Gatwick and Heathrow all expanding, all having to use land and air room they don't have and multimillion/billion pound projects, yet an hour and a half, current travel time on average rail infrastructure, north is one of Europe's longest runways, with acres of land surrounding it. Doncaster airport has just been bought back from the rouges Peel holdings and is to be returned to a functioning airport, why not plough the billions into upgrading the east cost mainline and making the airport better? fast lines and trains would probably put London to Doncaster down to an hour or less. they would have pretty much open uncongested airspace to use, and provide the north with some needed money...... oh wait there it is, money to the north!

 

[V8Druid]

I don't get the whole southern airport expansions, Luton, Gatwick and Heathrow all expanding, all having to use land and air room they don't have and multimillion/billion pound projects, yet an hour and a half, current travel time on average rail infrastructure, north is one of Europe's longest runways, with acres of land surrounding it. Doncaster airport has just been bought back from the rouges Peel holdings and is to be returned to a functioning airport, why not plough the billions into upgrading the east cost mainline and making the airport better? fast lines and trains would probably put London to Doncaster down to an hour or less. they would have pretty much open uncongested airspace to use, and provide the north with some needed money...... oh wait there it is, money to the north!

wasn't it Peel Holdings that had that huge canal breach last year up on a big embankment ? Was all over FB/media (but notably NOT MSM) with vid.s of it breaching and flooding miles of surrounding lower lying land

 

[Lancs Lad]

wasn't it Peel Holdings that had that huge canal breach last year up on a big embankment ? Was all over FB/media (but notably NOT MSM) with vid.s of it breaching and flooding miles of surrounding lower lying land

Yep own all sorts of stuff round here...ports etc

 

[Smiffy]

I don't get the whole southern airport expansions, Luton, Gatwick and Heathrow all expanding, all having to use land and air room they don't have and multimillion/billion pound projects, yet an hour and a half, current travel time on average rail infrastructure, north is one of Europe's longest runways, with acres of land surrounding it. Doncaster airport has just been bought back from the rouges Peel holdings and is to be returned to a functioning airport, why not plough the billions into upgrading the east cost mainline and making the airport better? fast lines and trains would probably put London to Doncaster down to an hour or less. they would have pretty much open uncongested airspace to use, and provide the north with some needed money...... oh wait there it is, money to the north!

The government don't own the airports, so unless the companies that own Gatwick or Heathrow or Luton have bought Doncaster the money will be invested back into their own airports. And it's not just London airports expanding. They may be the one in the news but just about every airport in the country is being upgraded.

 

[sfrs4]

I understand the airports being financed by the owners/shareholders and in essence airline users, but some of the cost of the road and rail infrastructure is going to be bore by us the tax payer with the airports only paying a nominal amount, in Heathrow's case £1.1bn of an estimated, depends on who you listen to, £5-18bn source https://hacan.org.uk/wp-content/upl...runway-at-Heathrow-will-cost-the-taxpayer.pdf . And that is just Heathrow, that money could of been used to improve infrastructure links to northern airports, giving airlines the opportunity to invest into northern airports with more scheduled flights, therefor allowing the airports to expand and be used more regularly like the southern airports.

 

[Smiffy]

I understand the airports being financed by the owners/shareholders and in essence airline users, but some of the cost of the road and rail infrastructure is going to be bore by us the tax payer with the airports only paying a nominal amount, in Heathrow's case £1.1bn of an estimated, depends on who you listen to, £5-18bn source https://hacan.org.uk/wp-content/upl...runway-at-Heathrow-will-cost-the-taxpayer.pdf . And that is just Heathrow, that money could of been used to improve infrastructure links to northern airports, giving airlines the opportunity to invest into northern airports with more scheduled flights, therefor allowing the airports to expand and be used more regularly like the southern airports.

But the northern ones are expanding and pumping Money in. Just the London airports have currently got more money.
Glasgow, Edinburgh (which is owned by Vinci same as Gatwick) Manchester Birmingham and Oxford are all pumping Money in. These are only the ones I know of. There is also a huge amount of investment going into regional airports. Considering we are meant to be going green there is hundreds of billions being spent on airports across the UK and the North is definitely not missing out.

 

[Lancs Lad]

But the northern ones are expanding and pumping Money in. Just the London airports have currently got more money.
Glasgow, Edinburgh (which is owned by Vinci same as Gatwick) Manchester Birmingham and Oxford are all pumping Money in. These are only the ones I know of. There is also a huge amount of investment going into regional airports. Considering we are meant to be going green there is hundreds of billions being spent on airports across the UK and the North is definitely not missing out.

Been a lot of debate about this online ...
reading a few posts by folk who know a lot more about the topic than I...there's a reason Doncaster and similarly Blackpool near me shut...if it wasn't profitable then ...it won't be now. Blackpool seems to have carved a decent enough niche doing private charter stuff. 737 in last week !

Doncaster for all it's monster runway etc etc...is the wrong side of the hill...yes it's not a million miles away from Manchester but try that journey at rush hour

 

[pettsy]

Get Doncaster back open, and the Vulcan thats based there back flying!

 

[Smiffy]

Been a lot of debate about this online ...
reading a few posts by folk who know a lot more about the topic than I...there's a reason Doncaster and similarly Blackpool near me shut...if it wasn't profitable then ...it won't be now. Blackpool seems to have carved a decent enough niche doing private charter stuff. 737 in last week !

Doncaster for all it's monster runway etc etc...is the wrong side of the hill...yes it's not a million miles away from Manchester but try that journey at rush hour

Manchester has it's own airport anyway and they are ploughing tons of money into that.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Manchester has it's own airport anyway and they are ploughing tons of money into that.

It's more like a bus station from the 80s than an airport ...without the charm

 

[Monkeybusiness]

It's more like a bus station from the 80s than an airport ...without the charm

I hate Manchester airport, absolute dump.

 

[Giles]

Manchester interior is tired but to be fair they're pretty good at the important stuff, we went to Mallorca recently landed it took 90 minutes to get all the bags with them getting some bags on the wrong carousel at Palma, Manchester they were going round when we came through fast track passports with kids no wait

 

[DaveDCB]

I hate Manchester airport, absolute dump.

Been recently? Most of it is in the new T2 now which is decent tbh! Only Ryanair (as far as I know) running out of the old terminal and they can stay there!

 

[sfrs4]

Been a lot of debate about this online ...
reading a few posts by folk who know a lot more about the topic than I...there's a reason Doncaster and similarly Blackpool near me shut...if it wasn't profitable then ...it won't be now. Blackpool seems to have carved a decent enough niche doing private charter stuff. 737 in last week !

Doncaster for all it's monster runway etc etc...is the wrong side of the hill...yes it's not a million miles away from Manchester but try that journey at rush hour

Yeah but that's the same reason we on the east of the hill don't want to use Manchester, it only takes one crash/snow/Fog/Dorris driving the wrong way and your late for your flight. So we end up having to go south instead, for me it's currently, in order of preference, Stanstead, East Mids, Birmingham then at a push Manchester,
the " London" airports are too far and again to much hassle, but the choice of airports in the north, with shorter runways also limits the destinations you can go to. When Doncaster was first opened we flew to both Cuba and the Dominican Republic from there. I did mention earlier, the only reason Doncaster didn't work the first time was simple pricing, Peel were charging the airlines/tour operators more than the bigger international airports to land, park and use services than the bigger southern airports, so the airlines/tour operators then pulled out of Doncaster, and peel said it was "unviable". I did have a link to the charges levied v's other UK airports somewhere but I can't find it, it was staggering the difference in price for things like parking overnight, security, boarder control staff etc

 

[Lancs Lad]

Yeah but that's the same reason we on the east of the hill don't want to use Manchester, it only takes one crash/snow/Fog/Dorris driving the wrong way and your late for your flight. So we end up having to go south instead, for me it's currently, in order of preference, Stanstead, East Mids, Birmingham then at a push Manchester,
the " London" airports are too far and again to much hassle, but the choice of airports in the north, with shorter runways also limits the destinations you can go to. When Doncaster was first opened we flew to both Cuba and the Dominican Republic from there. I did mention earlier, the only reason Doncaster didn't work the first time was simple pricing, Peel were charging the airlines/tour operators more than the bigger international airports to land, park and use services than the bigger southern airports, so the airlines/tour operators then pulled out of Doncaster, and peel said it was "unviable". I did have a link to the charges levied v's other UK airports somewhere but I can't find it, it was staggering the difference in price for things like parking overnight, security, boarder control staff etc

Certainly hope they make a go of it!
Sick of everything being London Centric
We hoped like heck Blackpool would for commercial again but doesn't like likely now.