Yard hardstanding

[wee_gus]

Over the past couple of months with the bleak weather our yard has literally turned to mush.
It does have high traffic and does run slightly down to our workshops.

We have tried recycled cold plannings and rolling it in but it doesn't last long.

Concrete could be an option but at £150 a cube it soon mounts up.

I've attached a couple of pictures of the yard to give you an idea,

I'm fed up with the guys up cleaning up everyone a truck comes in or machine comes in plus feet are always mucky


Anyone any suggestions on what we could do?

 

[bobthebuilder]

can you get some drainage in th

Over the past couple of months with the bleak weather our yard has literally turned to mush.
It does have high traffic and does run slightly down to our workshops.

We have tried recycled cold plannings and rolling it in but it doesn't last long.

Concrete could be an option but at £150 a cube it soon mounts up.

I've attached a couple of pictures of the yard to give you an idea,

I'm fed up with the guys up cleaning up everyone a truck comes in or machine comes in plus feet are always mucky


Anyone any suggestions on what we could do?

can you get some drainage in there out towards the rear corner behind lorrys ?

 

[wee_gus]

can you get some drainage in th

can you get some drainage in there out towards the rear corner behind lorrys ?

Generally that's the way the water flows anyway.

 

[Smiffy]

Over the past couple of months with the bleak weather our yard has literally turned to mush.
It does have high traffic and does run slightly down to our workshops.

We have tried recycled cold plannings and rolling it in but it doesn't last long.

Concrete could be an option but at £150 a cube it soon mounts up.

I've attached a couple of pictures of the yard to give you an idea,

I'm fed up with the guys up cleaning up everyone a truck comes in or machine comes in plus feet are always mucky


Anyone any suggestions on what we could do?

Tarmac.
If it's a good solid base to begin with just put some 20mm binder down. Can lay it yourself if a machine rather than getting a paver in.

 

[wee_gus]

Tarmac.
If it's a good solid base to begin with just put some 20mm binder down. Can lay it yourself if a machine rather than getting a paver in.

I did think about this but how would that cope with tracked machines? We don't get much bigger than 40tonners in.

Laying it is not a problem we have access to a paver

 

[Bri963]

I’d put a good layer of demolition waste down, big lumps, track it as flat as you can, and put the planings back on top. Done a few areas like that over the years. When your 40 tonners churn it up it’s easy to knock the top flat.

 

[Smiffy]

I did think about this but how would that cope with tracked machines? We don't get much bigger than 40tonners in.

Laying it is not a problem we have access to a paver

Depends on the frequency and drivers I would think. Wouldn't be as good as concrete but makes everything clean and tidy and will put up with a reasonable amount of abuse.
Could you divide the yard up and have a concrete apron for machines. Tarmac the high traffic areas that machines don't need to travel on and leave the parking as road plannings?

 

[JD450A]

Cement stabilisation

 

[wee_gus]

Depends on the frequency and drivers I would think. Wouldn't be as good as concrete but makes everything clean and tidy and will put up with a reasonable amount of abuse.
Could you divide the yard up and have a concrete apron for machines. Tarmac the high traffic areas that machines don't need to travel on and leave the parking as road plannings?

Yea we could split it up as we have 2 access gates but only predominantly use the one where the trucks are parked up.

Might speak to the tar lads and see what he says.

Cement stabilisation

That was also a thought, just unsure if it would last?

 

[V8Druid]

Over the past couple of months with the bleak weather our yard has literally turned to mush.
It does have high traffic and does run slightly down to our workshops.

We have tried recycled cold plannings and rolling it in but it doesn't last long.

Concrete could be an option but at £150 a cube it soon mounts up.

I've attached a couple of pictures of the yard to give you an idea,

I'm fed up with the guys up cleaning up everyone a truck comes in or machine comes in plus feet are always mucky


Anyone any suggestions on what we could do?

is it all your yard Gus?
how about having it 'stabilised' by those guys who chew it all up and mix cement in with it .. seems to give very good results

edit - should've read down the page first -- as Rory says

 

[Storrsy]

is it all your yard Gus?
how about having it 'stabilised' by those guys who chew it all up and mix cement in with it .. seems to give very good results

edit - should've read down the page first -- as Rory says

It works well with farm tracks going up and down but not sure it would hold up to steel tracks skewing around on it...

 

[V8Druid]

It works well with farm tracks going up and down but not sure it would hold up to steel tracks skewing around on it...

some one on CEF had their plant yard done .. went down a good 12-14" and said it was like concrete afterwards

 

[wee_gus]

is it all your yard Gus?
how about having it 'stabilised' by those guys who chew it all up and mix cement in with it .. seems to give very good results

edit - should've read down the page first -- as Rory says

Yea the whole yard is ours.

It works well with farm tracks going up and down but not sure it would hold up to steel tracks skewing around on it...

Yea that and putting trailers in over the pit and brake tester certainly chew it up at the moment.
I've a man down near reading who does work in scotland doing soil stabilisation so might give him a call and see what he says.

 

[Left hooker]

Cement stabilisation

Tip a load of bags everywhere and a patch planer to mix it in then regrade and compact

 

[Left hooker]

It works well with farm tracks going up and down but not sure it would hold up to steel tracks skewing around on it...

One outfit doing it did the Ivor king yard where they track the big piling machines around on it 6" thick when they cut the edge to tie on for another section a year or so later

 

[Smiffy]

A green waste yard in Bromley had the cement stabilization done and it didn't fair to well. It was done in very cold conditions that may have been the reason but running a bucket brush across it would flick the aggregate up. More prone to it at the joints between the runs, so they ended up with a surface like inverted speed bumps across the whole yard.

 

[JD450A]

A green waste yard in Bromley had the cement stabilization done and it didn't fair to well. It was done in very cold conditions that may have been the reason but running a bucket brush across it would flick the aggregate up. More prone to it at the joints between the runs, so they ended up with a surface like inverted speed bumps across the whole yard.

Sounds like not enough cement and not enough overlap. Also if there was existing organic matter in the soil you've no chance as it impedes the chemical reaction in both cement and lime.

 

[Storrsy]

Sounds like not enough cement and not enough overlap. Also if there was existing organic matter in the soil you've no chance as it impedes the chemical reaction in both cement and lime.

On a cost analysis at some stage it must get to the point where you must as well be done with it and concrete it. Can imagine a fair whack of cement needs using to stand any chance and then as you say risk of failure due to other circumstances/soil type etc. even if it's down 12/18" deep etc I cant see how a tracked machine isn't going to gradually scuff away at the top surface- only needs to aggitate an inch or two to create a sticky/messy finish when it's wet?

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Talking of yard maintenance - never used one of these but looking for something to carry out occasionally cleaning on concrete and well made stone tracks. This one is looking cheapish, but no idea how well it would work as it’s build for paddocks not tracks, but same principle as any sweeper but a bigger collection box?

 

[Smiffy]

Talking of yard maintenance - never used one of these but looking for something to carry out occasionally cleaning on concrete and well made stone tracks. This one is looking cheapish, but no idea how well it would work as it’s build for paddocks not tracks, but same principle as any sweeper but a bigger collection box?

Paddock sweepers usually run slower, have wider brush spacings and that one looks to pick the material up carry it over the top of the brush and throw it backwards.
This is the worse design. Jcb telehandler mounted ones do the same.
Bucket brush style where it flicks it straight back into the bucket does a much much better job.