Duck to replace telehandler & 8 tonner?

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Tintan28

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I bought a new JCB 531-70 just before lockdown mainly for site work (relatively small 1-2 plot sites) to replace an much older JCB & have never been happy with it, mainly because of jerky unresponsive hydraulics compared to my Case TX140 (which is brilliant).
I have an old Case CX80 which although an excellent machine it doesn’t get as much use as it could due to transport issues mainly.
It’s possibly a hare brained idea but I’m mulling over the pros & cons of a midi duck in lieu of telehandler & 8tn tracked machine & would appreciate some advice/experience.
My thinking is that the duck should be able to lift most site gear & will be much more manoeuvrable. I have the TX140 if lift capacity is occasionally not enough. And it should be pretty much a straight swap for the CX80 on sites but easier to get to smaller jobs, so more likely to be used when better suited than the easier to transport <3tn machine.
Obviously a tilty on this would be the perfect accompaniment!
 
doobin

doobin

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Tintan28 said:
I bought a new JCB 531-70 just before lockdown mainly for site work (relatively small 1-2 plot sites) to replace an much older JCB & have never been happy with it, mainly because of jerky unresponsive hydraulics compared to my Case TX140 (which is brilliant).
I have an old Case CX80 which although an excellent machine it doesn’t get as much use as it could due to transport issues mainly.
It’s possibly a hare brained idea but I’m mulling over the pros & cons of a midi duck in lieu of telehandler & 8tn tracked machine & would appreciate some advice/experience.
My thinking is that the duck should be able to lift most site gear & will be much more manoeuvrable. I have the TX140 if lift capacity is occasionally not enough. And it should be pretty much a straight swap for the CX80 on sites but easier to get to smaller jobs, so more likely to be used when better suited than the easier to transport <3tn machine.
Obviously a tilty on this would be the perfect accompaniment!
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On paper it sounds an excellent idea- presume you are thinking 8/9t duck rather than 6t?

On you own plots you can control the site conditions so no need for mud plugging.
 
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DaveDCB

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Lifting pallets at ground level - fine but you may as well put forks on your 8 ton.. if you considering lifting onto scaffolding with an excavator/disk its just not a nice thing to do! Forklift all the way for that.

I have forks on my tractor & 6ton machine, sold my 10.5 meter telehandler last year - they are priceless when building but soon become an ornament when you’re not out of the ground! I’ll just rent one in when I’m into any kind of scaffolding now.

Have you given the lever linkages any spray grease at all? Outside between the boom and the cab you should be able to see all the lever linkages, give them a good dose of oil - they tend to seize up and make everything stiff and jerky!
 
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Tintan28

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doobin said:
On paper it sounds an excellent idea- presume you are thinking 8/9t duck rather than 6t?

On you own plots you can control the site conditions so no need for mud plugging.
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Realistically the smallest that will do the job but yes I was expecting it to be 8-9Tn.
 
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Tintan28

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DaveDCB said:
Lifting pallets at ground level - fine but you may as well put forks on your 8 ton.. if you considering lifting onto scaffolding with an excavator/disk its just not a nice thing to do! Forklift all the way for that.

I have forks on my tractor & 6ton machine, sold my 10.5 meter telehandler last year - they are priceless when building but soon become an ornament when you’re not out of the ground! I’ll just rent one in when I’m into any kind of scaffolding now.

Have you given the lever linkages any spray grease at all? Outside between the boom and the cab you should be able to see all the lever linkages, give them a good dose of oil - they tend to seize up and make everything stiff and jerky!
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I was thinking of lifting pallets & muck tubs onto scaffold at least onto 1st lift but if it’s not feasible then it might not be an workable solution although I have the TX140 if it would still be more productive than current set up?
I’m over an hour NE of Newcastle so hiring is expensive & never been a road I’ve gone down unless really necessary.
I originally put it down to the hydraulics bedding in but I now think it’s just a shite machine, just good enough for farmers!!😉 in the Case machine you feel in absolute control & can feather the controls with ease.
 
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CPS

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Tintan28 said:
I was thinking of lifting pallets & muck tubs onto scaffold at least onto 1st lift but if it’s not feasible then it might not be an workable solution although I have the TX140 if it would still be more productive than current set up?
I’m over an hour NE of Newcastle so hiring is expensive & never been a road I’ve gone down unless really necessary.
I originally put it down to the hydraulics bedding in but I now think it’s just a shite machine, just good enough for farmers!!😉 in the Case machine you feel in absolute control & can feather the controls with ease.
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There is a demo Wacker Neuson Ew100 doing the rounds in that area i think.
Worth checking it out to see if itll do yiur job
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Tintan28 said:
Realistically the smallest that will do the job but yes I was expecting it to be 8-9Tn.
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deffo no smaller ...
Have had a play in the Ovlov/Doosan's 6 and it's horrible - a real challenge to keep it planted.. :(
A VA boom is an essential on a duck, if you want to go 'handling' with it ..
a mono just doesn't cut it - so limiting - the working envelope of a VA is zero to max (y)
I've had plenty of practice ;)
 
T whiting

T whiting

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A duck is mint for lifting pallets on the floor and it'll just about do a first lift if it has a va boom but the geometry goes all wrong. On flotation tyres it'll get about slightly better than a telehandler but show it anything soft and you start to struggle
 
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Smiffy

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T whiting said:
A duck is mint for lifting pallets on the floor and it'll just about do a first lift if it has a va boom but the geometry goes all wrong. On flotation tyres it'll get about slightly better than a telehandler but show it anything soft and you start to struggle
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What about the mecalacs with the funny boom. Will they do first lift Better
 
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DaveDCB

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Smiffy said:
What about the mecalacs with the funny boom. Will they do first lift Better
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I’d say so, but they are all the wrong machines for lifting pallets up onto scaffolding.. just going to be hardwork and slow!
 
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Smiffy

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DaveDCB said:
I’d say so, but they are all the wrong machines for lifting pallets up onto scaffolding.. just going to be hardwork and slow!
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To be entirely honest telehandlers aren't exactly the best things going. So big and clumsy. Make a mess. Get in the way. Tip everything off the pallet spontaneously for no reason at all.
The European sites with self erecting tower cranes look a far better way of working.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
DaveDCB said:
I’d say so, but they are all the wrong machines for lifting pallets up onto scaffolding.. just going to be hardwork and slow!
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swap out the mast for my forks in the pic below -- I could do second lift with the 'Drema (3rd, 4th & 5th with the mast on :ROFLMAO:) -- 1st lift'd be a POP ;):giggle:
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