strange question, could a construction site dumper tow a trailer with a small excavator, limits and potential?

[barracane]

domanda strana, un dumper da cantiere potrebbe addestrare un rimorchio con un piccolo escavatore, limiti e potenzialità?

Salve, un abitante del mio paese vorrebbe abbinare un dumper edile 4x4 ed un mini escavatore per effettuare alcuni lavori in campagna in quanto il terreno si trova in un luogo impervio e collinare con sentieri stretti ed impervi. Mi è stato chiesto di trasportare il piccolo escavatore in campagna, potrei utilizzare la soluzione di trainare il rimorchio dell'escavatore con il dumper, che prestazioni e limiti di traino ha un dumper medio? Qualche utente amico adotta questa bizzarra soluzione? Grazie

 

[heritage machining]

Can't really see it struggling towing wise after all it carries around 3 or 4 tons of muck but legally at least in the UK I would think it's a very grey area

 

[V8Druid]

Not in the UK it couldn't - end of story, no grey area at all ..... More than capable though

 

[Smiffy]

Not in the UK it couldn't - end of story, no grey area at all ..... More than capable though

I don't think that's entirely true druid. I believe dumpers can be registered as work trucks as opposed to mobile plant. This allows you to move a load on a public highway.

 

[V8Druid]

I don't think that's entirely true druid. I believe dumpers can be registered as work trucks as opposed to mobile plant. This allows you to move a load on a public highway.

only thing you can tow on the road is engineering plant - compressor/water pump type thing .. can't tow a trailer with a load if it's taxed as plant ... this has been discussed at huge length before - and is such a farcical situation .. can tow a compressor if it's a mobile type (on road wheels), but put the same compressor on a trailer (it then becomes a load) and it can't be done (legally)
When JCB launched their Hydrapig and heralded the fact it could tow (they even produced a bespoke trailer for it), it prompted massive discussion on the subject of plant towing on the road and JCB actually lobbied the Gov. to get the law changed .. nothing ever came of it.

 

[Smiffy]

only thing you can tow on the road is engineering plant - compressor/water pump type thing .. can't tow a trailer with a load if it's taxed as plant ... this has been discussed at huge length before - and is such a farcical situation .. can tow a compressor if it's a mobile type (on road wheels), but put the same compressor on a trailer (it then becomes a load) and it can't be done (legally)
When JCB launched their Hydrapig and heralded the fact it could tow (they even produced a bespoke trailer for it), it prompted massive discussion on the subject of plant towing on the road and JCB actually lobbied the Gov. to get the law changed .. nothing ever came of it.

I know that's the case for mobile plant but
Dumpers aren't necessarily registered as mobile plant. They can be registered as work trucks bringing them under a separate set of rules. Otherwise they would not be allowed to carry a load on a skip on the road.

 

[V8Druid]

I know that's the case for mobile plant but
Dumpers aren't necessarily registered as mobile plant. They can be registered as work trucks bringing them under a separate set of rules. Otherwise they would not be allowed to carry a load on a skip on the road.

works trucks have serious restrictions on their roading capabilities though... @JD450A is the boy who knows these reg.s off pat

 

[Smiffy]

works trucks have serious restrictions on their roading capabilities though... @JD450A is the boy who knows these reg.s off pat

Under the government website it says reasonable distance which is for a court to decide but it would appear that noone has ever been to court to find out what this is. Clancy are currently using those bi direction dumpers aswell as tractors and trailers to move stuff from the compounds out to site for a major new water pipe project. Must be a good 10-15 minutes for them.

 

[V8Druid]

Under the government website it says reasonable distance which is for a court to decide but it would appear that noone has ever been to court to find out what this is. Clancy are currently using those bi direction dumpers aswell as tractors and trailers to move stuff from the compounds out to site for a major new water pipe project. Must be a good 10-15 minutes for them.

pretty sure it was/used to be 6 miles a week on public roads .. as said Rory knows this stuff inside out - WTF is @JD450A when you want him

 

[V8Druid]

this is new

Work trucks

www.gov.uk

" The Road Vehicle (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986
These regulations are not available on the internet and have been amended many times which makes it difficult to piece together the latest form of the regulations. However these regulations are available in a consolidated format in most city reference libraries, or from legal publishers. "

have been available until very recently .. can recall looking at them, deffo end of last year .. and were extensive
'how to sneak sh1t in without ppl being aware! '

 

[barracane]

https://backend.merlo.clo.ud.it/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/New_DM9Dumper_Merlo_May23.jpg

quanto deve essere potente il dumper per trainare un rimorchio con un escavatore da 3 tonnellate su strade sterrate e sentieri di campagna

 

[barracane]

http://heavy-crane.com/products/6-3-stsc-12-multifunction-dumper_02.jpg

Dumper multifunzione 12T, STSC-12​

Il dumper multifunzione STSC-12 è un veicolo multiuso progettato con una benna da escavatore, con una capacità di carico fino a 12 tonnellate. Adotta il nostro telaio sviluppato in modo indipendente che presenta una struttura compatta e un raggio di sterzata ridotto. La benna dell'escavatore ha una capacità di 0,2 m³ e una profondità di scavo di 3,5 m, rendendo il dumper multifunzione adatto per impianti industriali di sabbia, cantieri edili e altri cantieri con spazi ristretti.
Caratteristica

• Adozione del motore Weifang Boling 4108, che fornisce una coppia elevata a bassa velocità, prestazioni stabili e migliore capacità di arrampicata;
• Un raggio di sterzata più ampio implica un ciclo di sterzata più breve, rendendo il dumper multifunzione ideale per spazi limitati, piccole pendenze e punti di accesso stretti;
• Autocarico e scarico dei materiali;
• Elevata efficienza di scavo e potenti prestazioni di sollevamento;

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Specifica
Massimo. capacità di carico12tCapacità benna0,2m³Dimensioni pianale del camion4m*2,2m*0,6mMax. altezza di sollevamento (opzionale) 14 m
Massimo. profondità di scavo3,5 mTrazioneTrazione 4*4Modello di motoreMotore Weifang Boling 4108Pneumatici

 

[Vicky]

only thing you can tow on the road is engineering plant - compressor/water pump type thing .. can't tow a trailer with a load if it's taxed as plant ... this has been discussed at huge length before - and is such a farcical situation .. can tow a compressor if it's a mobile type (on road wheels), but put the same compressor on a trailer (it then becomes a load) and it can't be done (legally)
When JCB launched their Hydrapig and heralded the fact it could tow (they even produced a bespoke trailer for it), it prompted massive discussion on the subject of plant towing on the road and JCB actually lobbied the Gov. to get the law changed .. nothing ever came of it.

Hi V8, Pleased to tell you something did come of the JCB lobbying, still a bit more work to do but a good start >> Search JCB the-new-trailer-towing-legislation-explained

 

[Lancs Lad]

Hi V8, Pleased to tell you something did come of the JCB lobbying, still a bit more work to do but a good start >> Search JCB the-new-trailer-towing-legislation-explained

Welcome Vicky, Sorry to be so forthright but i have sneaky feeling you maybe a JCB employee..if so prepare for some fun on here...

But one question.

can you confirm that the regs 8m limit includes trailer..?

JCB gets towing regulation update - T.C. Harrison JCB

Great news for construction companies! JCB lobbied for and successfully achieved a regulation change allowing wheeled machinery to tow trailers on roads. This could save businesses thousands annually. The new rule applies to England, Scotland, and Wales. The Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA)...

tchjcb.com

 

[V8Druid]

Hi V8, Pleased to tell you something did come of the JCB lobbying, still a bit more work to do but a good start >> Search JCB the-new-trailer-towing-legislation-explained

not worth the effort .... long way to go to match Eu and their reg.s

 

[mart1602]

a centre pivot dumper can tow in a straight line ok till you turn to steer and then the skip wheelies one side if theres no weight in the skip

 

[Vicky]

Welcome Vicky, Sorry to be so forthright but i have sneaky feeling you maybe a JCB employee..if so prepare for some fun on here...

But one question.

can you confirm that the regs 8m limit includes trailer..?

Hi Lancs Lad, the 8m length is only in relation to the length of the vehicle and not the combination.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Hi Lancs Lad, the 8m length is only in relation to the length of the vehicle and not the combination.

Thanks for that confirmation.
That's good news

 

[V8Druid]

Hi Lancs Lad, the 8m length is only in relation to the length of the vehicle and not the combination.

suggest you read the reg.s @Vicky " The overall length of the combined machine and trailer cannot exceed eight metres and the trailer must bear the same number plate as the towing machine. "

 

[V8Druid]

Oh and can only be used specifically for road maintenance, to/from the location of the works

" Under the new regulation, it will be possible for customers to get a permit to use wheeled engineering plant, such as backhoe loaders and wheeled excavators, to tow a trailer on the highway, for the purposes of construction, maintenance, and repair of roads.
Under the new order, construction plant will be permitted to tow a trailer that is unladen, or that is carrying material or tools to and from a road construction, repair, or maintenance site. "