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6feetdown

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LKSF said:
I did wonder what the government and Supermarkets are playing at, what their true intentions or end goals are, in mainland Europe as well.
It's as if they're trying to put the farmers out of business at a time when we (in the UK) should be working harder to be self sufficient in areas that we can be.

I think it's a move to growing F&V in factories. In hypocrite Attenboroughs latest series he did a bit on it, they were growing it in huge thin towers under artificial lights. If you think about it we currently grow food per square (metre, acre, Hectare, whatever), but this meant they could grow it per cube (cubic metre, acre etc) so a much more efficient use of space. No predators either of course, no bugs, slugs, birds, fungus to attack it in this super clean controlled environment, no bad weather either.
It won't taste as good, but rare is the person who has tasted decent food anyhow so that won't be missed, it'll be perfect and cheap which is what most people want/need.
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Yes this method is then controlled by the usual suspects. It does not make any sense unless you have an alternative motive
 
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LKSF

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V8Druid said:
" farmers are now making more money from these re-wilding type schemes than producing food. "

won't be much in the way of crops round here either, when it's all covered in bloody trees .... would not believe some of what's going on in this area 🤬 🤬
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Is it useable land anyhow? There has to be a balance which is one reason why we're not cashing in on this tree planting scheme, because others around us are. We could end up with a load of forest which would push out the wildlife which needs the environment already here and also the sheep farmer who needs our land to help her survive.
The land around us which has got plantations on it was not of much use anyhow, it's very low grade, too uneven and steep to get a machine on, so all there was was a lot of low yielding grass, bog and soft rush. Good for the wildlife, but not great grazing land.

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You would have to do your own research if interested, but I believe these schemes aren't forever. After X amount of years you can do what you like with the trees, so they could be cut down outside of that unless by that time they're covered by some other kind of preservation order.
 
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6feetdown

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LKSF said:
Is it useable land anyhow? There has to be a balance which is one reason why we're not cashing in on this tree planting scheme, because others around us are. We could end up with a load of forest which would push out the wildlife which needs the environment already here and also the sheep farmer who needs our land to help her survive.
The land around us which has got plantations on it was not of much use anyhow, it's very low grade, too uneven and steep to get a machine on, so all there was was a lot of low yielding grass, bog and soft rush. Good for the wildlife, but not great grazing land.

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You would have to do your own research if interested, but I believe these schemes aren't forever. After X amount of years you can do what you like with the trees, so they could be cut down outside of that unless by that time they're covered by some other kind of preservation order.
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I think Harry's farm said 10 years but I maybe wrong on that
 
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LKSF said:
After X amount of years you can do what you like with the trees, so they could be cut down outside of that unless by that time they're covered by some other kind of preservation order.
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I wouldn’t trust anything with these schemes. There’s a guy on the farm forum who has Natural England trying to prosecute him to do with a scheme he left 11 years ago!

A long thread if anyone is bored… https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/natural-england-knows-best.299845/
 
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Monkeybusiness said:
A mate rears beef cattle and buys a lot of feed in. He pulled a business plan together to quickly hydroponically force-grow an energy dense feedstock (possibly a type of bean, I can’t remember exactly what it was) on trays in racks in shipping containers. The entire contents of the plant trays (including roots and growing medium) would be added to the cattle feed.
He was talking about this a few years ago but as far as I know never progressed it - his calculations all seemed to add up though.
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I know even less about farming animals than I do arable, but I think that will be Soya. It's environmentally incorrect as it usually gets grown abroad and shipped in, but if you're growing your own here it isn't. Sounds expensive to do small scale though, you'd need heat and light anything outside of Summer.

The proper way to do it is to grow your Winter feed here in Summer and give it to them in Winter, we've got everything in the UK to do that well, yet it doesn't seem to work financially for many. I think this is due to cheap immoral meat imports.

Soya is beans, they've recently been trying to grow a different type for use as baked beans here, I read it's not going so well atm with half the crop under water in a field in Lincs somewhere....
 
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Monkeybusiness

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LKSF said:
I know even less about farming animals than I do arable, but I think that will be Soya. It's environmentally incorrect as it usually gets grown abroad and shipped in, but if you're growing your own here it isn't. Sounds expensive to do small scale though, you'd need heat and light anything outside of Summer.

The proper way to do it is to grow your Winter feed here in Summer and give it to them in Winter, we've got everything in the UK to do that well, yet it doesn't seem to work financially for many. I think this is due to cheap immoral imports.

Soya is beans, they've recently been trying to grow a different type for use as baked beans here, I read it's not going so well atm with half the crop under water in a field in Lincs somewhere....
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He grows as much silage/haulage as he can all through the summer (as do all the cattle farmers around here).
 
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TiltyShaun

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LKSF said:
The proper way to do it is to grow your Winter feed here in Summer and give it to them in Winter, we've got everything in the UK to do that well, yet it doesn't seem to work financially for many. I think this is due to cheap immoral meat imports.
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Make it simple. Cows and sheep eat grass. They have 4 legs to all around and find it. All these compound food is full of what is unnatural to their diet and unhealthy to them and those that eat it. The problem is we are hooked on cheap food and the desire to feed millions more.
Nothing further to add.
 
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