V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Santana? presumably using the Jag's original LT77 bell housing .... convenient Leyland crammed them into all sorts
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Monkeybusiness
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That’s the 300tdi/td5 gearbox setup, I had an early one without the cross drilling…..Santana? presumably using the Jag's original LT77 bell housing .... convenient Leyland crammed them into all sorts
TiltyShaun
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Same colour as my D1 . It was tidy when I got it!!
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Smiffy
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Bri963
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The 3.0 initially had injector seal issues. It was an Isuzu engine, but they outsourced fixing it to Cat R & D at Peterborough. Which they did, and it ended up a very good engine.
Gunners
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Funny isn't it. My trusty 1997 300tdi Defender will do 30mpg all day long (although not over 65mph!) and that has plenty of extra weight fitted from the off roading options catalogue, all terrain tyres and a full roof rack! It also tows very well.
My 2018 Navara, doesn't tow anywhere near as stable, especially at full weight, but is much nicer to drive day to day!. It returns 35-40mpg on a run with all the tools in the back and on all terrain tyres!
Nothing that you can buy today seems to get anywhere close on fuel consumption. Pickups or Defender... Where did we go wrong?
You know I had an 08 fiesta zetec s diesel years ago. Brilliant little car, basically an ST spec with a diesel in it, 1.6l I think it was. I played with it a bit obviously so I didn't get left behind with mates who had the 2l petrol ST or Saxo vts But that car returned north of 60mpg everywhere you went and at whatever speed. Now the idea of DPS's and Adblue is to remove particles from the air and reduce Nox emissions right?
So my question is this...
If a car burning diesel so efficiently that it will do 60mpg or more but with no stage 4/5/6 emissions control fitted. What is the difference in particulates between that and one with a DPF/adblue fitted returning less MPG because of it.
My gut feeling is on a comparable fiesta there's probably not much reduction in MPG due to euro 6 on the modern ones - I don't know, I haven't driven one. But on a bigger vehicle, say a lorry? I wonder?
Could someone build an engine that burns so clean it doesn't need a DPF to meet the figures (of course it would need a DPF by law) but my point is, it might be possible? Especially with better quality fuel - I think that's half our issue with MPG figures these days - the fuel is crap!
Food for thought on a Sunday.
My 2018 Navara, doesn't tow anywhere near as stable, especially at full weight, but is much nicer to drive day to day!. It returns 35-40mpg on a run with all the tools in the back and on all terrain tyres!
Nothing that you can buy today seems to get anywhere close on fuel consumption. Pickups or Defender... Where did we go wrong?
You know I had an 08 fiesta zetec s diesel years ago. Brilliant little car, basically an ST spec with a diesel in it, 1.6l I think it was. I played with it a bit obviously so I didn't get left behind with mates who had the 2l petrol ST or Saxo vts
But that car returned north of 60mpg everywhere you went and at whatever speed. Now the idea of DPS's and Adblue is to remove particles from the air and reduce Nox emissions right?So my question is this...
If a car burning diesel so efficiently that it will do 60mpg or more but with no stage 4/5/6 emissions control fitted. What is the difference in particulates between that and one with a DPF/adblue fitted returning less MPG because of it.
My gut feeling is on a comparable fiesta there's probably not much reduction in MPG due to euro 6 on the modern ones - I don't know, I haven't driven one. But on a bigger vehicle, say a lorry? I wonder?
Could someone build an engine that burns so clean it doesn't need a DPF to meet the figures (of course it would need a DPF by law) but my point is, it might be possible? Especially with better quality fuel - I think that's half our issue with MPG figures these days - the fuel is crap!
Food for thought on a Sunday.
heritage machining
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I don't like modern diesels much due to dpf ad blue ect they can be an absolute nightmare to work on and in not convinced they are much cleaner
heritage machining
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The other thing is that I like the noise a V8 or V6 petrol sounds so I can't complain too much about the mpg I'm afraid I caught the disease early
Gunners
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This is exactly my point. I think they might be "cleaner" but definitely not more efficient. But if you could just focus on efficiency - would that therefore not improve how clean it burns by default? Without the need for all the after treatment and therefore complexity and cost.
Quattromike
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theres a few folk I’ve been speaking with lately that are due to change their car and would normally order a new one but can no longer get what they want. Seems manufacturers are selling hybrids only and you can no longer get a standard engine driven motor. Coupled with the hike in prices making them turn to the used market for decent second hand models they want rather than new models they don’t want
hiluxman
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But don't forget every mile further you go on 1 liter of fuel is less money the gov will have off you, they don't like the thought of losing out on money.
heritage machining
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I could not get what I want which is why I'm building a 1962 landy fc with a crew cab for the kids and a jag engine thinking of having removable backs too so I can have a camper one and a work one just need to work out a way of loading them hookloader maybe
thinking of having removable backs too so I can have a camper one and a work one just need to work out a way of loading them hookloader maybe
Bri963
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You can generate less particulates by upping combustion temperatures, which in a diesel means higher compression ratios. Downside is, the higher the combustion temperatures the more NOx you produce, hence adblue. NOx comes from nitrogen in the air, not from the fuel, so even with hydrogen as a fuel chances are engines will still need Adblue systems unless manufacturers can keep combustion temperatures down.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
slot in legs, like many truck bodies used to use but have the lift system independent of the vehicle so you're not lugging dead weight aboutI could not get what I want which is why I'm building a 1962 landy fc with a crew cab for the kids and a jag engine
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
exactly why I bought the Sportage .... so few manufacturers offering a 'proper' petrol engined vehicle, without the 'joke' battery crap on board
looks nice ... proven tech., very popular, goes well, is so far returning 34mpg over 1500 miles average ... a decent size bus inside .. nigh on the same elbow room, etc. as the P38 (I like a big car) big boot space ... 'nother 700kgs on the towing and it'd be cock on (1800 kgs as is ) .. was originally looking at s/h, but for the additional cost this 6mth old demo., with 2300 on the clock, it seemed a sensible choice, with a £7k saving on new and a further similar saving by paying cash and no additional PCP balloon figures
I'd looked at what to buy for months and this seemed the right conclusion .... time will tell, but 10 months in, I'm still happy with it
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
bought my first three yr old SD1 V8 5sp., at 23 ....The other thing is that I like the noise a V8 or V6 petrol sounds so I can't complain too much about the mpg I'm afraid I caught the disease early
never looked back
....have had a 2.8 V6 XR4x4i and a couple of 2.8 & 2.9 V6 Grannies too ...
and an XJ6 4.2
no substitute for cubes ...
the P38 is the 4.6HSE model
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AusDave
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I've had the used 2017 Toyota Prius Plugin Hybrid now for a few months and have put about 60 litres of fuel through it for 5,000 km. For short trips 40-50km it's all on battery and then the petrol engine kicks in periodically to drive the car and charge the battery. Battery charging I do when I can when it's sunny so my excess solar power goes into the car and not the grid. Even when the battery is below 25% so you're running in Hybrid mode with the petrol engine, I'm averaging 3litres per 100km or 78mpg. A decent hill up the coast, Mt Ousley, will give me 10km of battery power after rolling down the hill regenerating. Performance is great, in electric mode it will accelerate to 100kmh very smartly.exactly why I bought the Sportage .... so few manufacturers offering a 'proper' petrol engined vehicle, without the 'joke' battery crap on board
looks nice ... proven tech., very popular, goes well, is so far returning 34mpg over 1500 miles average ... a decent size bus inside .. nigh on the same elbow room, etc. as the P38 (I like a big car) big boot space ... 'nother 700kgs on the towing and it'd be cock on (1800 kgs as is ) .. was originally looking at s/h, but for the additional cost this 6mth old demo., with 2300 on the clock, it seemed a sensible choice, with a £7k saving on new and a further similar saving by paying cash and no additional PCP balloon figures
I'd looked at what to buy for months and this seemed the right conclusion .... time will tell, but 10 months in, I'm still happy with it
Of course it's too flash for filthy work or salty sandy dogs, they go in the Toyota Echo or Hilux with all the tools and other dirty gear.
I must say I feel sorry for the lack of choice you have especially with Toyota Hilux and Landcruiser derivatives. We have more than you seem to have and they sell like hotcakes over here new or secondhand. My little 2001 Echo has done over 330,000km without any problems and tows a trailer when needed. Just this week a stranger pulled up out the front and wanted to know if it was for sale! Even at 23 years old it still seems to be a desirable and reliable runabout. My 2002 Hilux even though it's only 2WD and non turbo, has a continuous number of enquiries wanting to know if i'll sell it
From my experience over the past 40 years, I've never had a Toyota that has let me down and parts are readily available everywhere.
Unfortunately over here Landrover has an extremely poor reputation for reliability, winning the least reliable brand category year after year in Australia and it seems the rest of the world. Feel sorry for you guys who have them
However I'd be very reluctant to buy any modern diesel vehicle even a Toyota. The amount of electronics, sensors and emissions gear on a modern diesel is frightening. So many points of potential failure and everyone of them costly. Waiting for the rollout of solid state lithium batteries which will make going full electric a much better proposition.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
and that is why I bought the petrol model .... diesel has become waaaaaaaay toooooooo complex ..... modern diesels will eventually become un-saleable and the older ones'll just get killed off by MOT emissions .... the Golf has to go in the next few months ..... not gonna make another emissions test ... skin of teeth this year - again - after a bottle of injector cleaner in the empty filter housing and a 30 mile thrashing at 3000rpm, then straight on the analyser, cooked and 'ticking/pinging'
TiltyShaun
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Get a Mot on an old diesel is very simple. Run the tank down to about 1/4 and stick 15liters of vegetable oil it. Run it through the mot and fill up with dieseland that is why I bought the petrol model .... diesel has become waaaaaaaay toooooooo complex ..... modern diesels will eventually become un-saleable and the older ones'll just get killed off by MOT emissions .... the Golf has to go in the next few months ..... not gonna make another emissions test ... skin of teeth this year - again - after a bottle of injector cleaner in the empty filter housing and a 30 mile thrashing at 3000rpm, then straight on the analyser, cooked and 'ticking/pinging'
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
interesting proposition ? what's the 'regimen' behind that then?
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