JCB 800 series?

[Vinpetrol]

IIRC the 805/6 had the weird boom ram set up, horizontal under the boom base, pushing on the root of the boom.

Certainly the 806C did . I’m assuming to allow space for the boom sliding mechanism on the top

 

[Vinpetrol]

I cant remember if it was an 805 or 806, tracks levers along side the seat with a detent to hold forward and back, and the joystick levers had rods going to valves behind the cab.
I remember the tracking power was rubbish, but the machine was getting tired.

The tracking power was awful on them all ! The track levers were down the side of the west right enough and stiff as feck ! I remember spending a day levelling and then tracking the material in and after all the pulling on the track levers my shoulders were aching !

 

[craig]

The tracking power was awful on them all ! The track levers were down the side of the west right enough and stiff as feck ! I remember spending a day levelling and then tracking the material in and after all the pulling on the track levers my shoulders were aching !

I can remember the aching shoulders
The main controls where heavy as well, no servos just working the valves direct.

 

[Bri963]

sure the 814s my ex boss had was not turbo just 6cyl perkins 354 i think. sure if they were turbo jcb would have stuck a sticker on them. i liked it myself had hell of a reach on it.

814 Super had a 6354 turbo and twin pumps.

 

[Thomas7740]

Remember going to a job about 10 years ago, had to reduce dig a site, foundations etc, said just to bring 3t as he had a 13t digger we could use, ok fair enough. We show up at job and it’s an 805BT only used it for filling trailers and levelling the dump, the ex30 out dug it so we used it for everything else

 

[V8Druid]

Certainly the 806C did . I’m assuming to allow space for the boom sliding mechanism on the top

my mistake - was the 6D with the horizontal rams

 

[Bri963]

Not going to be a fashionable opinion but the 814 Super no slouch for its day. It definitely was’t a million miles behind the early japs, many of which had their own issues. They were stronger on the tracks than any other JCB and even the first Hitachi I operated wasn’t particularly strong in that respect. The levers were better balanced, imo, than the early Hitachis and Kommies. The big issue was the sliding boom. The idea was good but it made them a bit nose heavy and as subsequent sales of mono booms proved, was not necessary for most operations.

 

[V8Druid]

In fairness a agricultural tractor carrying a agricultural appliance is fully within the law

as long as it complies with weight restrictions, etc.

 

[TiltyShaun]

Not going to be a fashionable opinion but the 814 Super no slouch for its day. It definitely was’t a million miles behind the early japs, many of which had their own issues. They were stronger on the tracks than any other JCB and even the first Hitachi I operated wasn’t particularly strong in that respect. The levers were better balanced, imo, than the early Hitachis and Kommies. The big issue was the sliding boom. The idea was good but it made them a bit nose heavy and as subsequent sales of mono booms proved, was not necessary for most operations.

I seem to remember they drank like Olly Reed on a casually night out!!!

 

[Vinpetrol]

Not going to be a fashionable opinion but the 814 Super no slouch for its day. It definitely was’t a million miles behind the early japs, many of which had their own issues. They were stronger on the tracks than any other JCB and even the first Hitachi I operated wasn’t particularly strong in that respect. The levers were better balanced, imo, than the early Hitachis and Kommies. The big issue was the sliding boom. The idea was good but it made them a bit nose heavy and as subsequent sales of mono booms proved, was not necessary for most operations.

Can you remember what the early hitachi was that you operated Bri ? You may have a point about the balance of the levers , I think the 812/814 might have been servo and I know the UH052 was rods . The hitachi would have felt more agile with the work we were doing as it weighed in at 10tonnes and I assume the jcb would have been a piece heavier .

 

[Thomas7740]

Can you remember what the early hitachi was that you operated Bri ? You may have a point about the balance of the levers , I think the 812/814 might have been servo and I know the UH052 was rods . The hitachi would have felt more agile with the work we were doing as it weighed in at 10tonnes and I assume the jcb would have been a piece heavier .

Didn’t servo come out with the UHO 3 series machines? Like the 53 63 etc?
Think the 52 and 53 were the predecessors to the ex100, which would put it more inline with an 811, a 63 was more like an 812/814

 

[Bri963]

Can you remember what the early hitachi was that you operated Bri ? You may have a point about the balance of the levers , I think the 812/814 might have been servo and I know the UH052 was rods . The hitachi would have felt more agile with the work we were doing as it weighed in at 10tonnes and I assume the jcb would have been a piece heavier .

It was a 13 tonner. Might have been a FH130, but they had hardly any Fiat in them. Stick was far faster than the boom and it was a sod to grade with.

 

[Vinpetrol]

Didn’t servo come out with the UHO 3 series machines? Like the 53 63 etc?
Think the 52 and 53 were the predecessors to the ex100, which would put it more inline with an 811, a 63 was more like an 812/814

I’m not sure about the jcb series as I only drove the 806C and the 812 but I am sure about the hitachis . Your right . The first servo hitachi were the 3 series. I drove a wh051 uh 061 071 081and then 052 062 and so on then the 3 series came out. The non servos to this point were game changing compared to the hymacs and jcbs they were competing against but the servo machines were a complete new level . As Bri said the earlier some machines were a bit of a battle to grade withi can remember the UH063 were the luck of the draw but even a bad one was better than most else that was available . I really liked the left and right for dipper arm and forward and back for slew as I thought it gave far better control than euro layout.

 

[Vinpetrol]

It was a 13 tonner. Might have been a FH130, but they had hardly any Fiat in them. Stick was far faster than the boom and it was a sod to grade with.

I actually liked the way the dipper was so fast , I felt that rolling your wrist left and right to control it was far better than forward and back . FH130 is much more recent though

 

[Bri963]

FH 130 was ISO pattern. They were good for loading, not for grading.

 

[Vinpetrol]

FH 130 was ISO pattern. They were good for loading, not for grading.

That might have been why they were difficult to grade with Bri with ISO set up . They had all previously been designed to use the dipper arm with your elbow firmly planted on the seat rest and then rolling your wrist left and right to control the dipper . The dipper requires more control than the slew when grading so it was in my opinion great design . It may of also been fluke ! However when ISO control became standard the hitachi did not feel as good to control as it previously had . You then needed to move all your arm foreword and backwards to control the dipper which wasn’t as precise as rolling your wrist and the shape of the levers supported this .

 

[Thomas7740]

That might have been why they were difficult to grade with Bri with ISO set up . They had all previously been designed to use the dipper arm with your elbow firmly planted on the seat rest and then rolling your wrist left and right to control the dipper . The dipper requires more control than the slew when grading so it was in my opinion great design . It may of also been fluke ! However when ISO control became standard the hitachi did not feel as good to control as it previously had . You then needed to move all your arm foreword and backwards to control the dipper which wasn’t as precise as rolling your wrist and the shape of the levers supported this .

I have no experience with a 63 etc the only uho I’ve driven has been a 25. What you are saying sounds right, my da went from Hymac and JCB to a 63 Hitachi and was in love with it, he like the side to side movement for the dipper, said it was great for levelling with

 

[Vinpetrol]

I have no experience with a 63 etc the only uho I’ve driven has been a 25. What you are saying sounds right, my da went from Hymac and JCB to a 63 Hitachi and was in love with it, he like the side to side movement for the dipper, said it was great for levelling with

Not many ops left that remember the older hitachis being set up that way ! Fair play to your da ! When hitachi got into bed with fiat for the FH series they were so bad that it created a market for lots of used grey imported machines to come here from Japan . Loads went through the auctions that had the same original set up . There was an issue then with them being sold in Uk without ISO controls . I think then they started getting changed to ISO before they came here . Out of interest I wonder what way they set them up for use in Japan nowadays !

 

[Thomas7740]

Not many ops left that remember the older hitachis being set up that way ! Fair play to your da ! When hitachi got into bed with fiat for the FH series they were so bad that it created a market for lots of used grey imported machines to come here from Japan . Loads went through the auctions that had the same original set up . There was an issue then with them being sold in Uk without ISO controls . I think then they started getting changed to ISO before they came here . Out of interest I wonder what way they set them up for use in Japan nowadays !

We are behind the times here in NI so it’s no suprise to me he remembers he started in around 1986, Hymac 580c, 580d, 121b, JCB806,805B and BT, 812, 814, Massey 450, all kinds of wheeled digger, then moved onto uho63 and PC120-3, said they were an absolute dream compared to the rest.

 

[V8Druid]

and talk of the devil .... may need a little TLC

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