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pettsy

pettsy

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Wherever you force people to take exams and tests that aren’t government run (eg driving tests) you will get people willing to pass candidates for cash. I’ve done gas exams next to people that have never even soldered a pipe fitting yet they passed first time.
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
Wherever you force people to take exams and tests that aren’t government run (eg driving tests) you will get people willing to pass candidates for cash. I’ve done gas exams next to people that have never even soldered a pipe fitting yet they passed first time.
But they must want to do the exam and pay the cash! Going through the proper channels, paying for college and getting a bit of paper and then not having a clue about what anything looks like you just learned about for the past three years!
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Didn't know where else to put this.

Am I the only person completely perplexed by the responses to this. These seem good rates to me and decent work.

I saw that - lazy entitled pricks who’ve had it too easy over the last few years are about to get a rude awakening is my thoughts on the subject! The market has been skewed in favour of drivers due to demand from HS2/Hinkley Point etc, combined with super-heated construction everywhere you look. That’s rapidly coming to an end…
 
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Smiffy

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The comments carry on in the same vain
 
Bri963

Bri963

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When I started out I kept in work by “jumping out”. Not ashamed of it either, I didn’t come out of the box a top flight operator, unlike some of the Prima donna’s. By the way, these Golden Operators aren’t a new thing, you speak to most old-timers, and they were all the best out there.
 
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Smiffy

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When I started out I kept in work by “jumping out”. Not ashamed of it either, I didn’t come out of the box a top flight operator, unlike some of the Prima donna’s. By the way, these Golden Operators aren’t a new thing, you speak to most old-timers, and they were all the best out there.

I work with lots of them and actually it seems very very rare to find a truly good machine driver. My biggest annoyance is how selfish they are. Screwing round on the tracks is a favourite completely trashing the ground for no apparent reason.
 
Bri963

Bri963

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Someone I know took his 360 test at Bircham and got marked down for lifting one end of the machine to turn easier. He was told keep the tracks flat despite arguing that lifting them slightly did less damage to the machine and ground. This is where some of these habits start, bad instruction. Plus silly old buggers who know the lot and won’t be told, and cocky young buggers who ditto.

I’ve been on the other side as an operator who wanted to improve but with bosses who hadn’t got the patience to give me time to learn something properly. I have more than once pointed out that patiently explaining is more productive than bawling and shouting. There always have been a few operators who could hammer the crap out of a machine to “look good” and foremen who encouraged this. I’m including old time muckshifters from the “good old days.”

I worked with one dozer driver, briefly, who had operated the lot, up to and including D11’s. Always interests me how many ops have been on D11’s despite there only having been 3 or 4 in this country and probably never more than 2 at once for any amount of time. Anyway, we were both backfilling a hole on the same model of machine and he started tearing about pushing from the edges while I set a slot up through the middle. I could see him looking across and sneering until I got the slot going and started almost doubling his output each push. When we finished I asked him how he’d been on big machines but didn’t know how to set up a slot and he had a hissy and didn’t come back the next day. He’s probably still in bed waiting for that £30/hr job.
 
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Smiffy

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Someone I know took his 360 test at Bircham and got marked down for lifting one end of the machine to turn easier. He was told keep the tracks flat despite arguing that lifting them slightly did less damage to the machine and ground. This is where some of these habits start, bad instruction. Plus silly old buggers who know the lot and won’t be told, and cocky young buggers who ditto.

I’ve been on the other side as an operator who wanted to improve but with bosses who hadn’t got the patience to give me time to learn something properly. I have more than once pointed out that patiently explaining is more productive than bawling and shouting. There always have been a few operators who could hammer the crap out of a machine to “look good” and foremen who encouraged this. I’m including old time muckshifters from the “good old days.”

I worked with one dozer driver, briefly, who had operated the lot, up to and including D11’s. Always interests me how many ops have been on D11’s despite there only having been 3 or 4 in this country and probably never more than 2 at once for any amount of time. Anyway, we were both backfilling a hole on the same model of machine and he started tearing about pushing from the edges while I set a slot up through the middle. I could see him looking across and sneering until I got the slot going and started almost doubling his output each push. When we finished I asked him how he’d been on big machines but didn’t know how to set up a slot and he had a hissy and didn’t come back the next day. He’s probably still in bed waiting for that £30/hr job.

I have absolutely no problem with decent people who want to learn but aren't there yet I will quite happily explain things and have patience with them. Likewise I will listen to more experienced people than me and eagerly learn. What I hate is the know it better types who won't learn or listen. And make everyone else's life harder. Throw a tantrum because the work is wrong the machines wrong or whatever today's issue is.
We predominantly use minis. Rarely anything above 8 tonne but usually 1.5-2.6t machines. The amount of people who are all this and all that and absolutely cack themselves when asked to do something that any groundworker on the firm would do without hesitation. And this is despite telling us they are better machine drivers 5x before they get out the induction because they are machine drivers and we are just groundworker with machine tickets.
Having seen what they demand and there skill level I'm sure I must be worth 400 a day and a go on the boss man's mrs's. I don't consider myself very good
 
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charlie2

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When I started out I kept in work by “jumping out”. Not ashamed of it either, I didn’t come out of the box a top flight operator, unlike some of the Prima donna’s. By the way, these Golden Operators aren’t a new thing, you speak to most old-timers, and they were all the best out there.
i never minded getting out and mucking in on the ground but if there were any spectators i would get back in the machine. when i started on machines it was before the tickets firstly cta then citb. i once let my card lapse and had to be assessed it was for a 3cx and 360 a monkey could have been in either machine and passed with flying colours. i still believe its just a paper trail and means swa about competence or skills. the fb groups favorite response to rates is wouldnt get outa bed for that amount i have never earnt big money but always got by ok sometimes a bit of a struggle but if i had my time again dont think i would do much different.
 
Bri963

Bri963

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I have absolutely no problem with decent people who want to learn but aren't there yet I will quite happily explain things and have patience with them. Likewise I will listen to more experienced people than me and eagerly learn. What I hate is the know it better types who won't learn or listen. And make everyone else's life harder. Throw a tantrum because the work is wrong the machines wrong or whatever today's issue is.
We predominantly use minis. Rarely anything above 8 tonne but usually 1.5-2.6t machines. The amount of people who are all this and all that and absolutely cack themselves when asked to do something that any groundworker on the firm would do without hesitation. And this is despite telling us they are better machine drivers 5x before they get out the induction because they are machine drivers and we are just groundworker with machine tickets.
Having seen what they demand and there skill level I'm sure I must be worth 400 a day and a go on the boss man's mrs's. I don't consider myself very good
A monkey could sit on a 50 tonner loading A30’s all day. The skill is in operating anything between 1 and 15 tonnes on the types of work and with the types of attachments hung on the front.

good operators are like vegans, it isn’t five minutes before they’ve told you.
 
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