Looking for a 12ft tipper trailer and advice.

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Stroppymonkey

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Tbf any 4wd and loaded ifor type trailer is pretty s**t off road as soon as the slightest bit of moisture is introduced. I wonder what is better. A small Iveco 2wd grafter tipper with the load over the driven axles Vs a 4wd with 3 ton hanging dead off the back- I suspect possibly the former...
Twinaxle with ATs and load over the axle will probably win, but it's going to be a lot less tare.. max 1500 kg on grafter legally with upto 2700kg on tipper. My movano is very grippy off road with weight on, but it's not very good at changing direction in poor ground compared to Dmax :)
 
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Stroppymonkey

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Tbf doob id tend to agree id never dream of taking an Ifor off hardstanding round here...learnt the hard way . That's before we talk about the speed of dumping ...
We got away with tipping multiple loads on a field last January with tipper. Amazing dry week and very coastal so drained soil.
 
Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
Especially with a brand new trailer. That swivel that @Mogman had for sale would've been perfect
It’s still here😳 but I’m also selling this beast
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Rory has first refusal but if he doesn’t want it £3.5k collected from my yard👍 but if you get this stuck……….then your stuck😂😂
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
I don't wish to appear a knob, but if your 4wd is offroad only, why not just get an old dumper on flotation wheels or even a tracked one? Fair enough if you are bringing in spoil down a road, but for moving around on site I don't think anyone will disagree when I say it's not the right tool for the job.
But you are. I quoted partially a well known saying for you to pick up on, but maybe it went over your head. Here is the abridged version with explanation:

"The admonition to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes means before judging someone, you must understand his experiences, challenges, thought processes, etc. The full idiom is: Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. In effect, it is a reminder to practice empathy."

I did that because I don't have the time to explain to you chapter and verse why things are done the way they are, but there are good reasons and with respect, I wasn't asking for advice on it. I was simply posting up a snapshot of one moment of a day when Winter rainfall fell in July, so judge ye not on that.

I studied Building site Management to HNC level as it then was and one thing we were taught is when materials come in you offload and store them correctly in the place where they will be used, you do it twice you're wasting time and money. You can't argue with that.

If you want to come up and spend a few months here helping and then advise after what you've learned about living on the Pennines on a tight budget you're welcome, i'm sure we can get you a bed somewhere.

Fellow respected member V8Druid builds things in an open yard in the rain whilst everyone else uses a workshop, I once enquired/advised why and didn't get much of a detailed response. That's because I never walked a mile in his shoes and really it's none of my business why he does things the way he does. It is what it is and I respect that.

As must you :)
 
Giles

Giles

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But you are. I quoted partially a well known saying for you to pick up on, but maybe it went over your head. Here is the abridged version with explanation:

"The admonition to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes means before judging someone, you must understand his experiences, challenges, thought processes, etc. The full idiom is: Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. In effect, it is a reminder to practice empathy."

I did that because I don't have the time to explain to you chapter and verse why things are done the way they are, but there are good reasons and with respect, I wasn't asking for advice on it. I was simply posting up a snapshot of one moment of a day when Winter rainfall fell in July, so judge ye not on that.

I studied Building site Management to HNC level as it then was and one thing we were taught is when materials come in you offload and store them correctly in the place where they will be used, you do it twice you're wasting time and money. You can't argue with that.

If you want to come up and spend a few months here helping and then advise after what you've learned about living on the Pennines on a tight budget you're welcome, i'm sure we can get you a bed somewhere.

Fellow respected member V8Druid builds things in an open yard in the rain whilst everyone else uses a workshop, I once enquired/advised why and didn't get much of a detailed response. That's because I never walked a mile in his shoes and really it's none of my business why he does things the way he does. It is what it is and I respect that.

As must you :)
re @V8Druid its because he bought a 15 ton duck to move some smallish rocks to build his shed and instead of building the shed he's been building stuff for the duck instead lol and painting stuff brown
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
re @V8Druid its because he bought a 15 ton duck to move some smallish rocks to build his shed and instead of building the shed he's been building stuff for the duck instead lol and painting stuff brown
I'd be interested to hear how you'd excavate and stack these with the 3CX the 'Drema replaced Giles ??:unsure: :p then look at the pix and see what is in use doing that ;)
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" "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes." In effect, it is a reminder to practice empathy. ";)
 
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Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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But you are. I quoted partially a well known saying for you to pick up on, but maybe it went over your head. Here is the abridged version with explanation:

"The admonition to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes means before judging someone, you must understand his experiences, challenges, thought processes, etc. The full idiom is: Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. In effect, it is a reminder to practice empathy."

I did that because I don't have the time to explain to you chapter and verse why things are done the way they are, but there are good reasons and with respect, I wasn't asking for advice on it. I was simply posting up a snapshot of one moment of a day when Winter rainfall fell in July, so judge ye not on that.

I studied Building site Management to HNC level as it then was and one thing we were taught is when materials come in you offload and store them correctly in the place where they will be used, you do it twice you're wasting time and money. You can't argue with that.

If you want to come up and spend a few months here helping and then advise after what you've learned about living on the Pennines on a tight budget you're welcome, i'm sure we can get you a bed somewhere.

Fellow respected member V8Druid builds things in an open yard in the rain whilst everyone else uses a workshop, I once enquired/advised why and didn't get much of a detailed response. That's because I never walked a mile in his shoes and really it's none of my business why he does things the way he does. It is what it is and I respect that.

As must you :)
Woah...title of thread "looking for advice"....
You asked you got 😊

I've asked for similar answer wasn't always what I wanted but it was from folk who had more experience in the topic than I had...

Yours a fellow pissed off with the weather webbed footed lancs lad
 
doobin

doobin

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Woah...title of thread "looking for advice"....
You asked you got 😊

I've asked for similar answer wasn't always what I wanted but it was from folk who had more experience in the topic than I had...

Yours a fellow pissed off with the weather webbed footed lancs lad
Exactly. If you're doing something that looks dumb, but has method in the madness, then say why. Especially if the thread title asks for advice.

So go on. Why is a highly qualified construction manager (nice appeal to authority by the way :rolleyes:) pissing about trying to tow 3.5t of road going trailer with an off-the-road pretend 4wd that weighs less than two ton?

And yes, you do move materials twice if the alternative is making more mess than the time saved.

One thing I do know about you 'off gridders' is that you have more time than money. Trailer is brand new though...

Advice you probably don't want- replace that 4wd with am old tractor. Always useful on a smallholding and will pull that trailer. Drawbar on the linkage and you can lift it up to get the trailer on the back wheels- more weight on the tractor wheels and much less rolling resistance. The front wheels of the trailer digging in and barely any drawbar weight (possible even negative with coil springs and a low hitch) are why you can't get anywhere as you are.

Even cheaper- a towball on the digger blade. Got me out of the s**t a lot of times.
 
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Bri963

Bri963

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I'd be interested to hear how you'd excavate and stack these with the 3CX the 'Drema replaced Giles ??:unsure: :p then look at the pix and see what is in use doing that ;)
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" "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes." In effect, it is a reminder to practice empathy. ";)
I’d roll them into place with the Kubota.
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Exactly. If you're doing something that looks dumb, but has method in the madness, then say why. Especially if the thread title asks for advice.

So go on. Why is a highly qualified construction manager (nice appeal to authority by the way :rolleyes:) pissing about trying to tow 3.5t of road going trailer with an off-the-road pretend 4wd that weighs less than two ton?

And yes, you do move materials twice if the alternative is making more mess than the time saved.

One thing I do know about you 'off gridders' is that you have more time than money. Trailer is brand new though...

Advice you probably don't want- replace that 4wd with am old tractor. Always useful on a smallholding and will pull that trailer. Drawbar on the linkage and you can lift it up to get the trailer on the back wheels- more weight on the tractor wheels and much less rolling resistance. The front wheels of the trailer digging in and barely any drawbar weight (possible even negative with coil springs and a low hitch) are why you can't get anywhere as you are.

Even cheaper- a towball on the digger blade. Got me out of the s**t a lot of times.
I remember when I first got a 016. Had to get a load of fencing stakes on an ifor accross a soft bit of moorland, it sank and the Defender sat there uselessly spinning away in the peat. Hooked the trailer up to the 016 and off it went😂.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
don't tell me ...... the tea hut was a hole in the ground with an old sack spread over it ...... if you were lucky :ROFLMAO:
 
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