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CPS

CPS

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V8Druid said:
but they are Hitachi ... just built under a JV agreement between Tata and Hitachi, in a different part of the world .... Hitachi would've sued their arses off for using their name long ago, if that weren't the case .... Much like Sumitomo/JCB JV, Atlas/Terex and dare say there are many more examples :unsure:. Can be damned sure Hitachi would NOT put their name to an inferior product and jeopardise their outstanding reputation for build quality and longevity.
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Built for a completely different market..... they might not even have a cab heater 😁
Not saying for a second they wouldn't do a good days work.... but your taking a rick!

My father was just telling me at lunch about a company that was told to park up there forklifts because they were not see marked!

There have been loads of Asian machines through the auctions.... but they have to leave the country when sold!
 
Canal Navvy

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The problem with grey imports that pre-date C.E. marking is proving that they were actually placed on the market within the E.E.C. before C.E. marking came into force 🤔
 
Quattromike

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We had bureau Veritas in yesterday for the day doing our loler inspections, our MEWP is 1999 and doesn't have a overload limit switch in the basket. He was adamant it needed it and wasn't going to pass it but after about and hour of discussion and a few phone calls he conceded that pre 2015 it didn't have and it was CE marked so accepted it as useable. If CE mark was not there it may have been a different story
 
Left hooker

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V8Druid said:
you miss my point Stu, if it was made pre '96, CE didn't exist anyway and there's plenty of that age kit knocking about, out there ... not just diggers, but all sorts of equipment, including vehicles
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Wasn't it the kite mark before it?
And it was around 96 the emissions band wagon really started
Was the year all petrol cars had to have a catalytic converter fitted but some were being fitted from 93-on

Only main difference between these machine ce or no ce is emissions
India or China and the likes can have engines chugging out fumes where we can't
They do have simpler management ie mechanical not electronic to make repairs simpler
 
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Shovelhands

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hiluxman said:
Also badged as a 1cxt...but it's got wheels, so just a 1cx.

Probably from ams auction where jcb off load alot of test/prototype machines.
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Not sure that was a prototype, but fairly sure that was in the last auction
 
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Left hooker said:
Wasn't it the kite mark before it?
And it was around 96 the emissions band wagon really started
Was the year all petrol cars had to have a catalytic converter fitted but some were being fitted from 93-on

Only main difference between these machine ce or no ce is emissions
India or China and the likes can have engines chugging out fumes where we can't
They do have simpler management ie mechanical not electronic to make repairs simpler
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Looks to have electric throttle and auto idle same as the originals.
And it has hammer pipework but no pedal. And doesn't appear to have buttons on the joystick
 
Vinpetrol

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GazCro said:
The majority of diggers from micro to 8 ton use kubota or yanmar engine and a kawasaki pump but they don't all drive the same do they.
All media and advertising go on about using "bluechip" components. If it was that easy we could all build our own diggers.
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No they don't , because there will be other differences .valve blocks, Track motors, servos or electronic controls, weight ratios, driving position etc but this machine as far as I can see, and I've just looked into the exact same genuine hitachi model zx80 is identical . As said earlier this agreement would not of been entered into lightly by hitachi and as we know in the UK Tata are now a world brand. This just seems like a vehicle for hitachi to get their machines sold all over a massively expanding market. If as I suspect , that this machine will operate and drive like a genuine hitachi then the only decision is wether I'd want to pay the extra 30+k for ce badge. And that is the dilema. The reality for me is I'm looking at buying a used 8t machine because I can't justify the cost of a new one with the work that I am doing . However I could buy a new one if I went for this . The issue of the lack of ce badge voiding insurances etc might be a step I couldn't take but I cant deny I'm tempted .
 
GazCro

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Vinpetrol said:
No they don't , because there will be other differences .valve blocks, Track motors, servos or electronic controls, weight ratios, driving position etc but this machine as far as I can see, and I've just looked into the exact same genuine hitachi model zx80 is identical . As said earlier this agreement would not of been entered into lightly by hitachi and as we know in the UK Tata are now a world brand. This just seems like a vehicle for hitachi to get their machines sold all over a massively expanding market. If as I suspect , that this machine will operate and drive like a genuine hitachi then the only decision is wether I'd want to pay the extra 30+k for ce badge. And that is the dilema. The reality for me is I'm looking at buying a used 8t machine because I can't justify the cost of a new one with the work that I am doing . However I could buy a new one if I went for this . The issue of the lack of ce badge voiding insurances etc might be a step I couldn't take but I cant deny I'm tempted .
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The thing is with the massively expanding market is that it doesn't require a massively complex machine. At the end of the day it needs to be built to a price to sell and only needs to meet very basic criteria to sell where its intended for. It may well in reality be a poor lower tech version of a 90s classic.
 
Storrsy

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Vinpetrol said:
No they don't , because there will be other differences .valve blocks, Track motors, servos or electronic controls, weight ratios, driving position etc but this machine as far as I can see, and I've just looked into the exact same genuine hitachi model zx80 is identical . As said earlier this agreement would not of been entered into lightly by hitachi and as we know in the UK Tata are now a world brand. This just seems like a vehicle for hitachi to get their machines sold all over a massively expanding market. If as I suspect , that this machine will operate and drive like a genuine hitachi then the only decision is wether I'd want to pay the extra 30+k for ce badge. And that is the dilema. The reality for me is I'm looking at buying a used 8t machine because I can't justify the cost of a new one with the work that I am doing . However I could buy a new one if I went for this . The issue of the lack of ce badge voiding insurances etc might be a step I couldn't take but I cant deny I'm tempted .
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Resale could be a problem potentially too. Then again maybe not if it's sold on to a farmer or somewhere who either doesn't know or care if it's CE marked or not🤣
Regarding insurance. I'm not sure what kind of scenario they would refuse a payout. I suppose if it self combusted or rolled over and cab didn't provide adequate protection to an employee or something. If it's nicked surely it doesn't matter about the CE mark- although I'm sure they'd find a way to disagree with that.
 
Lancs Lad

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Storrsy said:
Resale could be a problem potentially too. Then again maybe not if it's sold on to a farmer or somewhere who either doesn't know or care if it's CE marked or not🤣
Regarding insurance. I'm not sure what kind of scenario they would refuse a payout. I suppose if it self combusted or rolled over and cab didn't provide adequate protection to an employee or something. If it's nicked surely it doesn't matter about the CE mark- although I'm sure they'd find a way to disagree with that.
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If its in their t&c they'll wiggle out
Lass has her catering gear nicked from burger van...they refused to pay as her gas cert had expired 🤬
 
Vinpetrol

Vinpetrol

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GazCro said:
The thing is with the massively expanding market is that it doesn't require a massively complex machine. At the end of the day it needs to be built to a price to sell and only needs to meet very basic criteria to sell where it’s intended for. It may well in reality be a poor lower tech version of a 90s classic.
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You mean with no dpf no ad blue less electronic control and less unnecessary gadgets
 
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