Engcon twin-hitch with rear steering on 4CX backhoe

Engcon UK

Engcon UK

The Noble Art of Digging
We’ve not posted installations on the new forum as the old CE forum generally didn’t like too much spam from manufacturers; but since Tom’s postings over the weekend and the generally positive reactions to them I hope we can add to the debate and spread product awareness by adding a few other recent installations. Feedback, as ever, is always important and if there’s something that members would like to hear more (or less:oops:) about then please let me know.

We’ve been wanting to do something like this since I joined the company four years ago. The backhoe loader is a machine that retains a lot of affection within the digging community and Robin Webber – the owner – has generously allowed us to showcase how Engcon can transform a machine – not just with the tiltrotator, but with our full arsenal of goodies, including twin-hitch EC-Oil, top and bottom, steering and auxiliary control and much, much more.

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The 4CX in this form is an impressive beast - full servo controls, a dig depth going on 5m and four wheel drive and four wheel steer. However, one of the drawbacks on the backhoe is the need to be facing the loading shovel when you want to reposition the machine. Similarly, it’s not possible to operate the loading shovel when facing backwards or the backhoe when you are looking at the steering wheel. Whilst the Extradig function is joystick operated, the Powerslide is not and you can’t steer and fully operate the loading shovel at the same time. The rear stabilisers are separate switches designed to be operated in rear-facing mode. Putting all of this functionality on the joysticks, able to be operated from any position as well as adding joystick steering and forward, neutral and reverse gear functions means the backhoe becomes a much more functional and capable tool.

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An additional accelerator pedal and brake pedal have been incorporated into the flat floor underneath the rear window, although these have an interlock on them which disables the functions when the seat is facing forwards (Robin’s dog accompanies him).

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In this case it’s a twin hitch installation because Robin wanted to use a breaker and dig narrow deep trenches. The tilty can also be swapped over to the 85Z-1 when his son Andrew can get his hands on it.:ROFLMAO:

Road speed in joystick steering mode is limited to under 20km/hr(y)

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Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
Saw the write up about it in ‘digger mag’ :) very well specced up(y)
 
doobin

doobin

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How the f**k do people make this sort of thing pay? That's gotta be north of £150k?

Would love a go on it. Is it ISO pattern?
 
Engcon UK

Engcon UK

The Noble Art of Digging
How the f**k do people make this sort of thing pay? That's gotta be north of £150k?

Would love a go on it. Is it ISO pattern?
The answer to the second question is yes(y). Standard UK joystick setup which we haven't altered (although it's about the only thing we haven't:eek:)

I'll leave Robin and the others that are now ordering these to answer your first question, Doob; but it's a variation on the standard 'why I've bought a tilty' answer. Fewer movements means more efficiency, more profit and a safer working envelope. In this case it's also not so much 'do away with the man with the spade' but 'do away with the man with the dumper (and the dumper as well)'

We haven't had a UK JCB dealership order one as a demonstrator yet, but I'll keep you posted.:) May be out and about soon, though :sneaky:
 
Engcon UK

Engcon UK

The Noble Art of Digging
please post away anything you guys do :D its not exactly spam :D more digger porn :ROFLMAO:
As the saying goes, Ross: "Be careful of what you wish for" :cool:

It's a long time since I've been called a pornographer though...:p:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Antony Holmes

Antony Holmes

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making a machine pay not subjective and dependent on your business module
i have seen hire rates on 13 and 20 ton excavators and wonder how it can pay £25.00 per hour for a £100k excavator seems mad but it still happens
looking at the guy with the 4cx he is no spring chicken so this set up may be the last and he is expecting to right it off over 10 or 15 years and if not on the tick he can have an easy job driving a top spec digger for years make a living and every one is happy i dont expect he is going out to get 10 like this so i say fair play to him.
 
Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better
looking at the guy with the 4cx he is no spring chicken so this set up may be the last and he is expecting to right it off over 10 or 15 years and if not on the tick he can have an easy job driving a top spec digger for years make a living and every one is happy i dont expect he is going out to get 10 like this so i say fair play to him.
As I get older I’m trying to make the work easier. I don’t want to work physically hard any more and in lots of cases can’t do what I did in my 20s, but luckily technology is coming along to keep me earning as I get old and doddery.
Graham
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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I can’t comment on the cost. But I hosted the machine at my place for the photos. It was very impressive how he got to grips with his new found freedom and watching him driving backwards up the drive and then the hill was very impressive!!
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
How the f**k do people make this sort of thing pay? That's gotta be north of £150k?

Would love a go on it. Is it ISO pattern?

form an orderly queue, behind my left shoulder Ruben .... me too :giggle::giggle:
 
Engcon UK

Engcon UK

The Noble Art of Digging
I can’t comment on the cost. But I hosted the machine at my place for the photos. It was very impressive how he got to grips with his new found freedom and watching him driving backwards up the drive and then the hill was very impressive!!
You did, Shaun; and thanks again for the hospitality. I know that both you and Robin's son Andrew are tracked 360 guys, but one of the interesting things to see was Andrew's change in attitude once he'd driven it. It's an incredibly smooth, stable and versatile machine - not for everyone, granted; but all of the people who have driven it have got out smiling.:love:
 
B

Brendan

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Amazing bit of kit, but can't help but think of "that" video of the JCB with the guy not looking back (or at least it not being obvious)
 
Engcon UK

Engcon UK

The Noble Art of Digging
I've just had another look at the video in question and agree that he should be looking back more (he does, but often his face is hidden by the boom and on a couple of occasions he's actually started moving before looking). Having driven this particular beast one of the comments we all made to Robin (the owner) was that it needs forward-view mirrors and probably a 360 camera system. This has now been completed, but it's a big bit of kit and the loading shovel obscures a big arc. As it comes out of Staffordshire, it's only designed to be driven forward and with the next one we'll add the mirrors in as standard.
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Casedriver

Casedriver

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What an awesome setup well done to the owner for the for site and the team at Engcon for making it happen I certainly wish i had had the access to a machine like this in my backhoe days 😎
 
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